Harry and TF

[stainrodisalegend]

There's no way HR can be judged on his time in the premiership with us, we were as good as relegated. Alex Ferguson couldn't of saved us! Even Remy and Samba (someone we all wanted) couldn't help!.... as for comparing us to Palace, doesn't make sense either. A completely different side, different players. The only way any comparison can be made is if Pullis inherited the exact team as us, with the exact fixtures remaining as us.

Not true. Harry actually had considerably more than half the season (26 games?) and spent over £20m on top of millions already spent. Hughes was gone after (what?) a dozen games. Our points per game ratio under Harry was actually lower (I believe) than it was under Hughes. Palace was considerably further adrift than we were when Pullis took over and player for player he didn't have a quarter of the talent that Redknapp had to call on. Nor do I buy that the team spirit was so much better under Palace necessarily prior to Pullis (no one can say for sure because you would need to be in both camps). But Palace were being thrashed every week, they were being told they didn't have a Prem player amongst them and their previous manager (Ollie) basically gave up saying he had run out of ideas to keep these players in the Prem League.

Harry is a master at playing the press. It was him who said it would be a miracle if he kept us up, his biggest achievement etc. Its classic media manipulation so if he fails no one gives him a hard time and if he succeeds he is hailed as a genius. Obviously we can only speculate now but I have a sneaking feeling a Pullis or a Fat Sam might have kept that squad up.

Because everyone hates Hughes he has been blamed for everything that went wrong that season. But terrible tho he was, he bought some players who had performed very well elsewhere. Why did these players actually do worse under "Harry the motivator"?

[Midgeyboy]

Always liked TF, even when he was making poor decisions because you just can't buy that commitment and passion to a club (ask supporters of so many other clubs). And behind the smiles he is clearly no fool and has learned his lessons the hard way.

HR - jury still out for me. Failed to turn it round in the Prem league despite huge investment whereas Pullis reversed an arguably worse situation for Palace. Did what was expected last season and got us promoted (just). Been pleasantly surprised by his signings this window. Think he badly needs a young, technically open-minded coach as not sure his backroom team compliment his skills sufficiently.

As for predictions, would caution fans to resist crazy talk of 11th/ 12th. People were saying exactly the same - and more - before we lost our opening game 5-0 at home to Swansea. While we are improving so are most other clubs (virtually all from a much stronger starting position).

All 100% sopt on mate...

[Midgeyboy]

Not true. Harry actually had considerably more than half the season (26 games?) and spent over £20m on top of millions already spent. Hughes was gone after (what?) a dozen games. Our points per game ratio under Harry was actually lower (I believe) than it was under Hughes. Palace was considerably further adrift than we were when Pullis took over and player for player he didn't have a quarter of the talent that Redknapp had to call on. Nor do I buy that the team spirit was so much better under Palace necessarily prior to Pullis (no one can say for sure because you would need to be in both camps). But Palace were being thrashed every week, they were being told they didn't have a Prem player amongst them and their previous manager (Ollie) basically gave up saying he had run out of ideas to keep these players in the Prem League.

Harry is a master at playing the press. It was him who said it would be a miracle if he kept us up, his biggest achievement etc. Its classic media manipulation so if he fails no one gives him a hard time and if he succeeds he is hailed as a genius. Obviously we can only speculate now but I have a sneaking feeling a Pullis or a Fat Sam might have kept that squad up.

Because everyone hates Hughes he has been blamed for everything that went wrong that season. But terrible tho he was, he bought some players who had performed very well elsewhere. Why did these players actually do worse under "Harry the motivator"?

And that too

[Nick]

Not true. Harry actually had considerably more than half the season (26 games?) and spent over £20m on top of millions already spent. Hughes was gone after (what?) a dozen games. Our points per game ratio under Harry was actually lower (I believe) than it was under Hughes. Palace was considerably further adrift than we were when Pullis took over and player for player he didn't have a quarter of the talent that Redknapp had to call on. Nor do I buy that the team spirit was so much better under Palace necessarily prior to Pullis (no one can say for sure because you would need to be in both camps). But Palace were being thrashed every week, they were being told they didn't have a Prem player amongst them and their previous manager (Ollie) basically gave up saying he had run out of ideas to keep these players in the Prem League.

Harry is a master at playing the press. It was him who said it would be a miracle if he kept us up, his biggest achievement etc. Its classic media manipulation so if he fails no one gives him a hard time and if he succeeds he is hailed as a genius. Obviously we can only speculate now but I have a sneaking feeling a Pullis or a Fat Sam might have kept that squad up.

Because everyone hates Hughes he has been blamed for everything that went wrong that season. But terrible tho he was, he bought some players who had performed very well elsewhere. Why did these players actually do worse under "Harry the motivator"?

When HR took over we were bottom of the premiership with a a $hit team and a team spirit to match. IMO it was an impossible task!

Dam right they played better under MH.. this was MHs signings. These were his player's, players bought in to play his system. Its his job to bring them together as a team. He spent a $hit load and failed on all accounts. MH would've/should've had a plan how these players were going to play before negotiations had even started on bringing them to QPR.... HR had only half a season, spack bang in the middle of a season he turns up at a club who are in the worst position possible with the worst team spirit possible.... Like I said not even Alex Ferguson could've kept us up!

[Geng]

There's no way HR can be judged on his time in the premiership with us, we were as good as relegated. Alex Ferguson couldn't of saved us! Even Remy and Samba (someone we all wanted) couldn't help!.... as for comparing us to Palace, doesn't make sense either. A completely different side, different players. The only way any comparison can be made is if Pullis inherited the exact team as us, with the exact fixtures remaining as us.

Why bother with a manager at all? You seem to think things are entirely pre-determined.

[stainrodisalegend]

When HR took over we were bottom of the premiership with a a $hit team and a team spirit to match. IMO it was an impossible task!

Dam right they played better under MH.. this was MHs signings. These were his player's, players bought in to play his system. Its his job to bring them together as a team. He spent a $hit load and failed on all accounts. MH would've/should've had a plan how these players were going to play before negotiations had even started on bringing them to QPR.... HR had only half a season, spack bang in the middle of a season he turns up at a club who are in the worst position possible with the worst team spirit possible.... Like I said not even Alex Ferguson could've kept us up!

You haven't answered any of my points Nick. And actually Harry had nearer to two-thirds of a season, as I've already pointed out. And are you really saying that if a new manager comes in he can't be expected to manage the players the old guys signed? I find that odd. If that were the case why would any club ever change manager? A good incoming manager makes the most of what is available. Harry was also then backed to the hilt in the Jan transfer market. You can make all the excuses you like and am very happy to give Harry my backing this season (like most fans) but you can't gloss over the fact that he did a poor job in that Prem season. Take Fulham away - we were 3-0 down after about 10 minutes almost entirely due to Samba, a Harry signing. Plus he brought back Nelson and Hill who Hughes had discarded. It was keystone cops defending. There were countless other terrible performances. He also brought in the likes of Remy and Townsend - players other bottom half clubs would have killed for - and he still couldn't get us playing. Lots of re-writing of history going on, me thinks...

[stainrodisalegend]

ps: so are you also implying that if only harry had been afforded the luxury of damian delaney and gabiddon he might have had more luck keeping us up than having the burden of having to find a centre half of his own choosing with a £10m odd budget? Hmm...

[bushcelt1]

some very goods post there stainrod

[Nick]

You haven't answered any of my points Nick. And actually Harry had nearer to two-thirds of a season, as I've already pointed out. And are you really saying that if a new manager comes in he can't be expected to manage the players the old guys signed? I find that odd. If that were the case why would any club ever change manager? A good incoming manager makes the most of what is available. Harry was also then backed to the hilt in the Jan transfer market. You can make all the excuses you like and am very happy to give Harry my backing this season (like most fans) but you can't gloss over the fact that he did a poor job in that Prem season. Take Fulham away - we were 3-0 down after about 10 minutes almost entirely due to Samba, a Harry signing. Plus he brought back Nelson and Hill who Hughes had discarded. It was keystone cops defending. There were countless other terrible performances. He also brought in the likes of Remy and Townsend - players other bottom half clubs would have killed for - and he still couldn't get us playing. Lots of re-writing of history going on, me thinks...

My point stainrod is the team Harry inherited was so bad in terms of atitude, serious lack of team spirit and absolutely no togetherness in terms of game play... IMO no other manager could have kept us up! Other managers could well of got us playing better football, I'm not denying that but keep us up I really don't think so.

Of course managers come and go throughout the season and are in exactly the same situation as HR was but how many new mangers are faced with a team like we had, a league position like we were in and the number of points we had on the table at that time - put all those factors together and I struggle to think of any manger that has avoided relegation.

[Robsondinho]

Not true. Harry actually had considerably more than half the season (26 games?) and spent over £20m on top of millions already spent. Hughes was gone after (what?) a dozen games. Our points per game ratio under Harry was actually lower (I believe) than it was under Hughes. Palace was considerably further adrift than we were when Pullis took over and player for player he didn't have a quarter of the talent that Redknapp had to call on. Nor do I buy that the team spirit was so much better under Palace necessarily prior to Pullis (no one can say for sure because you would need to be in both camps). But Palace were being thrashed every week, they were being told they didn't have a Prem player amongst them and their previous manager (Ollie) basically gave up saying he had run out of ideas to keep these players in the Prem League.

Harry is a master at playing the press. It was him who said it would be a miracle if he kept us up, his biggest achievement etc. Its classic media manipulation so if he fails no one gives him a hard time and if he succeeds he is hailed as a genius. Obviously we can only speculate now but I have a sneaking feeling a Pullis or a Fat Sam might have kept that squad up.

Because everyone hates Hughes he has been blamed for everything that went wrong that season. But terrible tho he was, he bought some players who had performed very well elsewhere. Why did these players actually do worse under "Harry the motivator"?

Spot on.

[Geng]

My point stainrod is the team Harry inherited was so bad in terms of atitude, serious lack of team spirit and absolutely no togetherness in terms of game play... IMO no other manager could have kept us up! Other managers could well of got us playing better football, I'm not denying that but keep us up I really don't think so.

Of course managers come and go throughout the season and are in exactly the same situation as HR was but how many new mangers are faced with a team like we had, a league position like we were in and the number of points we had on the table at that time - put all those factors together and I struggle to think of any manger that has avoided relegation.

You're basically rewording Harry Redknapp car door talking points from April 2013.

Very good posts by stainrod

[WeAreQPR12]

V refreshing to read a mods opinion, where they know what they're talking about and aren't bias

[bushcelt1]

some very goods post there stainrod

unlike mine

[stationcafe]

stainrodisalegend is talking absolute sense.

'Arry is very good at talking himself up and talks like he inherited a League 1 team. Worse teams than us have been saved by managerial changes, and the players we had have played elsewhere and shown they ain't useless.

The argument that a lack of 'togetherness' or 'team spirit' got us relegated is really overstated as well.

[Nick]

stainrodisalegend is talking absolute sense.

'Arry is very good at talking himself up and talks like he inherited a League 1 team. Worse teams than us have been saved by managerial changes, and the players we had have played elsewhere and shown they ain't useless.

The argument that a lack of 'togetherness' or 'team spirit' got us relegated is really overstated as well.

Overstated but true!.... just trying to think of a team that had 0 team spirit and 0 togetherness but achieved something??