All the Harry bashers, what you think of him now?

[brightonr]

I suppose I was what Ablock would call a "Harry Basher". Not because I particularly dislike the man, but simply because his record over 30 years or so, was nothing out of the ordinary and certainly nothing like the success story that some would make it out to be.

For me, despite the shambles he took over, I really feel that he should have kept us up with the players he had at his disposal. One only has to look at the way he was outwitted by Fat Sam over both games against West Ham, for evidence not only of poor team selection and tactics, but of a very negative and far too cautious approach. Still, we went down, but only some of the blame can be laid at Harry's door. There were others just as much to blame, including a manager very few of us have any time for and an owner who most of us are delighted with. People make mistakes, but we all need to move on.

Harry did a good job of getting rid of some deadwood over the summer, although one can't help thinking that putting his foot down and finding a way to keep hold of Remy and Adel would have seen us walk that division. The signings of Austin and Phillips were admittedly buying the best players from the Championship in their respective positions, but he still had to get them here so deserves some credit for that.

He seems to have been roundly criticised for having a policy of getting in older and slower players, rather than those who are younger and with pace. At the end of the day, that's simply a judgement call. Whilst I would have preferred the other way, we did go up, just about, so it could be argued that his was the correct judgement. Yes, we did have a lot of injuries, those to Austin and Phillips particularly had an enormously adverse effect on our season, but on the other hand he did have an awful lot of experienced cover most of the time.

I don't think many would argue with the view that we have played some of the most tedious, boring and negative football we have seen for a while, or that some of his tactics and team selections have been bizarre to say the least. But the facts are that under him, we got back up at the first time of asking. The importance of which can only be speculated upon, but personally I feel that it was vital. In fact I'd go as far as to say that it was because of just how important it was, many of us got a bit more down and a bit more angry with it all than perhaps we should have. Having achieved that, he should be given every bit as much credit as he did the blame for us going down in the first place and as such, I think that even those of us with reservations should have the decency to give him our full backing over the summer and let's see how he gets on this time. He has earned that at least.

[lymehoop]

Excellent post Brighton, I too had my reservations, mainly frustrated with the negative football. As you say, give the guy credit, tough league to get out of

[fisnik]

Again, we signed one player who cost as much as all of our promotion rivals combined spending throughout the entire season.

I really don't get how you can't say we didn't have a big transfer budget. We spent last season in the Championship, not the premier league.

If you're after an opinion based on fact I think that stat should be pretty relevant, no? How many other Championship signings of £4m+ can you name, ever? There have hardly been any. Two of them were us, last summer.

Phillips and Austin were among the top few players in their positions in the league in 2012/13, hence them being the equivalent of Hazard and Suarez for a PL side. I really don't see how you can dispute this. Would it help if I said Mata and Rooney instead? Cazorla and Aguero?

I said he done well with transfers in the summer. I was pleased with what he brought in.... Are you saying they were bad buys?

I don't understand what your gripe Harry is. So our Hazard and Suarez got injured, and it's Harry's fault?

Are you disputing that he couldn't bring in who he wanted in January? Seems you blame him for giving out contracts on high wages etc. How do you know this?

[fisnik]

It's all one and the same. If you sign a 31yr old freebie for £40k per week for three years that'll cost you £6m, or about the same as a £4m 22yr old paid £10k pw over four years. And the latter will have resale value.

It's not that Harry didn't have money to spend. Of course he did. You think Benayoun played for free? Morrison? He just didn't want to splash out on big transfer fees and put it towards wages instead (which was fair enough given we didnt know what division we'd be in - thank god we didnt spend 10m on Rhodes for instance)

Benayoun didn't play for free but I don't know for how much he played for... How do you? How do you know that what he was saving on transfer fees he was putting towards wages? I think he done well to shift a lot of players given what position we were in. It was dire... You shouldn't blame him for a huge wage budget which was mostly Hughes' legacy...

[Midgeyboy]

I suppose I was what Ablock would call a "Harry Basher". Not because I particularly dislike the man, but simply because his record over 30 years or so, was nothing out of the ordinary and certainly nothing like the success story that some would make it out to be.

For me, despite the shambles he took over, I really feel that he should have kept us up with the players he had at his disposal. One only has to look at the way he was outwitted by Fat Sam over both games against West Ham, for evidence not only of poor team selection and tactics, but of a very negative and far too cautious approach. Still, we went down, but only some of the blame can be laid at Harry's door. There were others just as much to blame, including a manager very few of us have any time for and an owner who most of us are delighted with. People make mistakes, but we all need to move on.

Harry did a good job of getting rid of some deadwood over the summer, although one can't help thinking that putting his foot down and finding a way to keep hold of Remy and Adel would have seen us walk that division. The signings of Austin and Phillips were admittedly buying the best players from the Championship in their respective positions, but he still had to get them here so deserves some credit for that.

He seems to have been roundly criticised for having a policy of getting in older and slower players, rather than those who are younger and with pace. At the end of the day, that's simply a judgement call. Whilst I would have preferred the other way, we did go up, just about, so it could be argued that his was the correct judgement. Yes, we did have a lot of injuries, those to Austin and Phillips particularly had an enormously adverse effect on our season, but on the other hand he did have an awful lot of experienced cover most of the time.

I don't think many would argue with the view that we have played some of the most tedious, boring and negative football we have seen for a while, or that some of his tactics and team selections have been bizarre to say the least. But the facts are that under him, we got back up at the first time of asking. The importance of which can only be speculated upon, but personally I feel that it was vital. In fact I'd go as far as to say that it was because of just how important it was, many of us got a bit more down and a bit more angry with it all than perhaps we should have. Having achieved that, he should be given every bit as much credit as he did the blame for us going down in the first place and as such, I think that even those of us with reservations should have the decency to give him our full backing over the summer and let's see how he gets on this time. He has earned that at least.

Not been on here very long but this is by far the best post iv`e read on here so far, kind of says it all and it should all end with reading this post, what more is there to say?

[maidstone_hoop]

I suppose I was what Ablock would call a "Harry Basher". Not because I particularly dislike the man, but simply because his record over 30 years or so, was nothing out of the ordinary and certainly nothing like the success story that some would make it out to be.

For me, despite the shambles he took over, I really feel that he should have kept us up with the players he had at his disposal. One only has to look at the way he was outwitted by Fat Sam over both games against West Ham, for evidence not only of poor team selection and tactics, but of a very negative and far too cautious approach. Still, we went down, but only some of the blame can be laid at Harry's door. There were others just as much to blame, including a manager very few of us have any time for and an owner who most of us are delighted with. People make mistakes, but we all need to move on.

Harry did a good job of getting rid of some deadwood over the summer, although one can't help thinking that putting his foot down and finding a way to keep hold of Remy and Adel would have seen us walk that division. The signings of Austin and Phillips were admittedly buying the best players from the Championship in their respective positions, but he still had to get them here so deserves some credit for that.

He seems to have been roundly criticised for having a policy of getting in older and slower players, rather than those who are younger and with pace. At the end of the day, that's simply a judgement call. Whilst I would have preferred the other way, we did go up, just about, so it could be argued that his was the correct judgement. Yes, we did have a lot of injuries, those to Austin and Phillips particularly had an enormously adverse effect on our season, but on the other hand he did have an awful lot of experienced cover most of the time.

I don't think many would argue with the view that we have played some of the most tedious, boring and negative football we have seen for a while, or that some of his tactics and team selections have been bizarre to say the least. But the facts are that under him, we got back up at the first time of asking. The importance of which can only be speculated upon, but personally I feel that it was vital. In fact I'd go as far as to say that it was because of just how important it was, many of us got a bit more down and a bit more angry with it all than perhaps we should have. Having achieved that, he should be given every bit as much credit as he did the blame for us going down in the first place and as such, I think that even those of us with reservations should have the decency to give him our full backing over the summer and let's see how he gets on this time. He has earned that at least.

Top post brighton - said in a much better and fairer way than I have put across. I wouldn't argue with anyone that at times last year the football was boring and some of tactics harry went with I still dont understand. But when you look at the big picture he done the job and got us back up from a league that can consume you for years. I have major respect for that and he deserves his chance to take us forward.

[maidstone_hoop]

Fu*k off Jamie!

- ahr bless ya.

[vespa]

I suppose I was what Ablock would call a "Harry Basher". Not because I particularly dislike the man, but simply because his record over 30 years or so, was nothing out of the ordinary and certainly nothing like the success story that some would make it out to be.

For me, despite the shambles he took over, I really feel that he should have kept us up with the players he had at his disposal. One only has to look at the way he was outwitted by Fat Sam over both games against West Ham, for evidence not only of poor team selection and tactics, but of a very negative and far too cautious approach. Still, we went down, but only some of the blame can be laid at Harry's door. There were others just as much to blame, including a manager very few of us have any time for and an owner who most of us are delighted with. People make mistakes, but we all need to move on.

Harry did a good job of getting rid of some deadwood over the summer, although one can't help thinking that putting his foot down and finding a way to keep hold of Remy and Adel would have seen us walk that division. The signings of Austin and Phillips were admittedly buying the best players from the Championship in their respective positions, but he still had to get them here so deserves some credit for that.

He seems to have been roundly criticised for having a policy of getting in older and slower players, rather than those who are younger and with pace. At the end of the day, that's simply a judgement call. Whilst I would have preferred the other way, we did go up, just about, so it could be argued that his was the correct judgement. Yes, we did have a lot of injuries, those to Austin and Phillips particularly had an enormously adverse effect on our season, but on the other hand he did have an awful lot of experienced cover most of the time.

I don't think many would argue with the view that we have played some of the most tedious, boring and negative football we have seen for a while, or that some of his tactics and team selections have been bizarre to say the least. But the facts are that under him, we got back up at the first time of asking. The importance of which can only be speculated upon, but personally I feel that it was vital. In fact I'd go as far as to say that it was because of just how important it was, many of us got a bit more down and a bit more angry with it all than perhaps we should have. Having achieved that, he should be given every bit as much credit as he did the blame for us going down in the first place and as such, I think that even those of us with reservations should have the decency to give him our full backing over the summer and let's see how he gets on this time. He has earned that at least.

Quality post well put , But ,,and its the Jennifer Lopez of big BUTTS, i cant handle another season of tedious boring ,one up front ,tippy tappy ,grinding out results ,that ive just watched . I dont follow the R¬s for that, i demand attacking football ,even if its at the expense of results.

[gator]

Quality post well put , But ,,and its the Jennifer Lopez of big BUTTS, i cant handle another season of tedious boring ,one up front ,tippy tappy ,grinding out results ,that ive just watched . I dont follow the R¬s for that, i demand attacking football ,even if its at the expense of results.

That is fine and lots of long time R's share your opinion but I think the most important thing in the next season or two is to establish ourselves as a Premier League team, finish ahead of 3 teams and build from there, maybe in a new stadium! I don't really want to do a Blackpool and play exciting football that gets you relegated, maybe Harry will open things up a bit in the Premier!

[dsqpr]

Quality post well put , But ,,and its the Jennifer Lopez of big BUTTS, i cant handle another season of tedious boring ,one up front ,tippy tappy ,grinding out results ,that ive just watched . I dont follow the R¬s for that, i demand attacking football ,even if its at the expense of results.

I'm with you on that vesps. If we keep playing the way we did last season we will have to change our name to Italy Park Rangers. It is possible to attack AND win!

[hal9thou]

So was fergie out of touch, booby robson in their twighlight years. Your chatting rubbish and joke of a fan. Completely forget where we came from and what state our club was in last year.
Harry has been a massive factor in us getting promoted clearing out the wan**** and galvanizing the team. So what if we hadnt of got promoted he didnt want to hang around in the championship, hes a prem manager all day long. I bet there would be a fair few clubs who would love him. Your clueless mate.

I'm interested in rational debate and I have an opinion. This does not make me clueless.

Whenever people question my credentials, I have to remind them that when I first went to the Rs we were in the old 3rd division. I saw us play at the White City FFS. I've seen good and bad come and go. I'm old enough to remember when we played football, and that approach took us to our highest ever position in English football. I'm old enough to have seen Harry play. So less of telling me what I do and don't know.

And one of the conclusions I've reached is that this club does need a younger manager. You mention SAF. I'm far from convinced that in MU terms his last years were that successful judged at the very highest, Champions League level. SAF was the man who wanted Moyes. Great call by someone who no longer had a grip on the way the game was changing. And Harry himself has indicated that he would have retired if we hadn't made it.

If Harry stays I would want it to be time limited and I would like Paul Clement to come in as assistant with a view to taking up the reins. There are other candidates. We have to look at a longer term future.

[maidstone_hoop]

I'm interested in rational debate and I have an opinion. This does not make me clueless.

Whenever people question my credentials, I have to remind them that when I first went to the Rs we were in the old 3rd division. I saw us play at the White City FFS. I've seen good and bad come and go. I'm old enough to remember when we played football, and that approach took us to our highest ever position in English football. I'm old enough to have seen Harry play. So less of telling me what I do and don't know.

And one of the conclusions I've reached is that this club does need a younger manager. You mention SAF. I'm far from convinced that in MU terms his last years were that successful judged at the very highest, Champions League level. SAF was the man who wanted Moyes. Great call by someone who no longer had a grip on the way the game was changing. And Harry himself has indicated that he would have retired if we hadn't made it.

If Harry stays I would want it to be time limited and I would like Paul Clement to come in as assistant with a view to taking up the reins. There are other candidates. We have to look at a longer term future.

This isn't a dig at you in anyway - but just because you watch football doesn't mean you understand it. So I appreciate you have watched QPR for years and you have your opinions but doesn't mean Ill agree with them just because you been going to games for 50 odd years.
For someone who's watched football for so long you shouldn't sound like a journalist and should understand your club more. Actually look at players Harry signed permanently, ie age ect long term investment. Understand why the like of banaryou, kranjar ect were loans on short contracts. Understand that wages thrown around in the papers are hugely exaggerated. See that half the over 30's we have been linked with already have signed for someone else.
Realize what a mess the team was last year and give the manager credit for not only sorting the mess out but putting together a promotion winning team albeit admittedly not in a very stylish fashion.
Understanding that half the wages everyones talking about is players harry didnt sign and are a result of the board and mark hughes dismal decisions from the year before.

Yes the club should have plans in place for a manager further down the line because of harrys age but harry perfectly capable of taking the club forward now and fully deserves some credit and less presumptions on all these over 30 players we are supposedly signing with no proof behind it.

Harry aint stupid and he knows the team he put together last year would need heavy investment either way this year. He put together a team he thought would do the business for that one season and it worked and now he has the chance to build a team for the future and for the prem.

[Stanley]

Your chatting rubbish and joke of a fan....Your clueless mate.

Calm yourself down and cut out the insults you've recently dished out, which the above is just one example of.

The more you get personal like this and the less you stick to reasoned and rational debate, the less anyone will take your actual QPR/football-related comments seriously.

And while you're at it check the forum rules, otherwise you wont last long around here.

[WeAreQPR12]

hal9 I make you spot on and a very good post.

You do however give maidstone more time than he deserves. He is full of testosterone and little else.

[Bluehoop]

Some od the responses on here are nonsense. The bloke done the business last year turning us around and getting us up. Plus has a decent record with buying youngsters and bringing them through. Years ago but he brought through defoe, lampard, ferdinad, cole and carrick but he cant see a talent can he.

And even more recently he was the manager that transformed Gareth Bale into the player that Real paid about £80M for - but still be gets tarred with the old lags only brush