"Diving McClean's despicable act".

[West London is Rss]

cheating p1key

[Webb1977]

Agree with that but it should be changed to give the ref carte blanche to use his own discretion. ie In a "normal" league game a yellow, but in the context of what that game meant to both teams, the ref should be able to show a red if need be. It's all about context.

Gotcha - and more license/rule change I'm all for too. Hmmmm thinking out loud here and wondering if that would open a new can of worms - for example, ref thinks he's dived, in a big game so gives red. But on replays he was caught.

Again, just thinking out loud here and all for getting rid/punishing diving any which way. An embarrassment to the sport.

Why retros aren't already in place I just don't know. Like I said, 80% gone in a month, surely?

[Kirill]

So if we buy a player like that and he dives and the ref gives us the penalty in an important match and we score and go on to win it, will we then brand the player's action "despicable"?

[brightonr]

So if we buy a player like that and he dives and the ref gives us the penalty in an important match and we score and go on to win it, will we then brand the player's action "despicable"?

Of course.

[Kirill]

Of course.

Yeah but how many of us?

[twranger]

Gotcha - and more license/rule change I'm all for too. Hmmmm thinking out loud here and wondering if that would open a new can of worms - for example, ref thinks he's dived, in a big game so gives red. But on replays he was caught.

Again, just thinking out loud here and all for getting rid/punishing diving any which way. An embarrassment to the sport.

Why retros aren't already in place I just don't know. Like I said, 80% gone in a month, surely?

Spot on....put retro in place and it would do away with all ambiguity on all levels....simple and sorted!

[Midgeyboy]

So if we buy a player like that and he dives and the ref gives us the penalty in an important match and we score and go on to win it, will we then brand the player's action "despicable"?

I have to say I would. I hate diving and cheating no matter who does it.
A couple of ours went down like a sniper had took them out the other night Jr & BZ that was embarrassing but they were time wasting by the corner and not trying to win a pen.

[Johnnykc]

I have to say I would. I hate diving and cheating no matter who does it.
A couple of ours went down like a sniper had took them out the other night Jr & BZ that was embarrassing but they were time wasting by the corner and not trying to win a pen.

I also hate ANY player doing it.....but the point is, until the authorities do something about it........players will consider it part of the game.....

[dsqpr]

Yes, he cheated, and that is a highly objectionable part of the modern game, but kudos to Clattenburg for spotting it. If any of our players ever dived and won a penalty we'd really tear a strip off him! (in the future of course, 'cause it has never happened yet!)

[Stanley]

Agree, simple - retro (three game) bans. 80% of diving will be gone within a month.

Fully agree, so why don't the FA bring this in? Genuine question.

[geejaybee]

Yes, he cheated, and that is a highly objectionable part of the modern game, but kudos to Clattenburg for spotting it. If any of our players ever dived and won a penalty we'd really tear a strip off him! (in the future of course, 'cause it has never happened yet!)

Referees today are more aware of "diving"and the repercussions more serious than say 40years ago,when our own beloved Rodney Marsh was a past master at winning dubious penalties.At times it was hilarious as he would fall after deliberately tripping over his own foot ala Norman Wisdom,and without the benefit of slow motion replays,he got away with it more often than not.

[MYU]

Wrong way to win a game.

[Manx Hoop]

A panel of 3 judges, majority rule, should be watching the match on several screens from different camera angles, after any major, incident/event, they can freeze frame, rewind etc etc, while the ref stops the game temporarily if necessary to be 'over ruled', they dont even need to be anywhere near the venue, a fixed location and direct ear link with the ref and linesmen.

I mean for christ sakes theres million's of pounds riding on games, season defining goals that never crossed the line, or did cross the line and werent awarded etc etc, penalties that should never have been awarded, and penalties that werent awarded when they should be. etc etc, players sent off, or not sent off etc, the list is endless.

[dsqpr]

A panel of 3 judges, majority rule, should be watching the match on several screens from different camera angles, after any major, incident/event, they can freeze frame, rewind etc etc, while the ref stops the game temporarily if necessary to be 'over ruled', they dont even need to be anywhere near the venue, a fixed location and direct ear link with the ref and linesmen.

I mean for christ sakes theres million's of pounds riding on games, season defining goals that never crossed the line, or did cross the line and werent awarded etc etc, penalties that should never have been awarded, and penalties that werent awarded when they should be. etc etc, players sent off, or not sent off etc, the list is endless.

I'm in favour of instant replay but only if it does not affect the flow of the game. It seems to me that any awarded controversial penalty should be reviewed because there is a natural break in the game anyway while everybody argues with the ref about it. Pens not awarded are trickier as the decision would need to be given quickly (say within two seconds).

[Stanley]

I'm in favour of instant replay but only if it does not affect the flow of the game.

I agree, and when more time is needed to review certain decisions, that can be done after the game where retrospective action can be taken if necessary, eg a 3 game ban for simulated diving (cheating), which would very quickly eradicate the problem. Still waiting for someone to tell me why a common sense approach like this isn't brought in. I could be facetious and say the FA doesn't 'do' common sense but was hoping to be advised otherwise.