Flavio and The Potential Position of QPR In Coming Weeks

[Nodge70]

I'm just getting pished off with the rollercoster that is QPR.

The trouble is most of you have not been round that long.
QPR have always been a rollercoster of a ride, with the possible exception of Jim Gregory tenure.
Remember John Bloom [Rolls washing machines] in the early 60's promised £1m went bust and left us with hugh debts.
David Bulstrobe Chairman in the late 80's said to have died in bed with his mistress - the ground had to be sold and was bought by the person who owned Stamford Bridge.
Richard Thompson a Leeds Utd supporter buys the club and leaves us nearly broke.
Ray Wilkins who did break us.
Chris Wright and his friends who landed the fabulous ABC loan.

I can't wait for a period of stability when Flavio can spend more time running the club and picking the team - he will certainly be better at it than Madge.

Memory fading Brian?

Problems there around Marler, Thompson and Bloom?

[superckat]

If you are so confident about them taking over, push for it and see what happens.

You wouldn't agree with me if I said it was the 17th September today, so I hardly take much notice of your comments

I never said I was confident about them taking over. So again it's what's floating around in your half a brain. With regard to it being September 17th I do agree with you. There you go again. It's in your head. It's not a fact. Actually you do respond to quite a lot of what I say. So you do take much notice of my comments. Once again not a fact. See the pattern here

First of all, I would like to nip this in the bud once and for all about a Mittal takeover. Its a no go and anyone who thinks they will wave the magic wand if Flavio leaves, will be in for a shock.

-"nip it in the bud" and "a no go". So you know that for fact do you. No it's in your head. An opinion maybe. Not a fact

I've seen stories in The Times today and on messageboards about giving the Mittals a "go at it". To be honest, they are more likely to leave than Flavio

SO the Mittals are more likely to leave tha Flavio. Again in your own head. You don't know. Stop trying to make out that you do. Once again an opinion. Not a fact


and it will be very hard to convince them to stay after the recent allegations, than suddenly to expect to take over the mantle. They have seen at first hand the fans responses when things don;t go well and to think they would want to be the main orchestratators of financing and running the club is way off the mark. When this venture was first sold to them, it was a positive thing and they could see the potential, but negative after negative story from price rises to the recent Flaviogate scandal, means they have taken more of a back seat in recent times. They would not want to be answering negative questions about the state of the club at this current time and the next 7-10 days will be harder to convince them to stay put, then to contrive a plan for a takeover. The latter just won;t happen. Flavio came in with the best intentions of making the place a success and The Mittals have seen at first hand, what happens when it goes wrong with fans and they don't gamble with business ventures in the same way Flavio would. No-one can take over a football club, demand or correctly predict success. What if, a year down the line we are in the same situation under new owners in the case of The Mittals, and they are getting booed and ridiculed in the press and global media, because results on the pitch are not going our way? They now know the risks involved and for that reason, they simply will not take-over whether we like it or not. The 20% stake is an indication of an interest only in the club and it would have been far easier to take full control before, 2 years down the line, it is simply not an attractive business proposition to take over a club mid-table in the championship and with the continual bad press it attracts. I like Amit alot, but its more likely to be a separate takeover than anyone currently at the club.

In regards to Bernie Ecclestone, being the main figurehead at F1 will make it very difficult to stay put at QPR in any capacity, if Monday;s meeting in Paris punishes Renault and bans Flavio from F1 for good, it will be regarded as a conflict of interest surely if he stays involved with Flavio at QPR. He has done alot more for the club, then people give him credit for, but he is even less likely to takeover the whole club than The Mittals, with his life being Formula One.

Where does that leave us and the club? I'm not altogether sure that Flavio is registered with the football league as Chairman, but lets for argument say he is. The football league would be hard pressed to sanction Flavio's involvement with the club, he has resigned from renualt and not been found guilty in a court of law. He might well be guilty, but the reality is even with the smallprint the Football League have, they will not be able to oust Flavio from his position within Queens Park Rangers football club.

Flavio, no doubt will go abroad for a week or two and assess, where he goes from here. He is a fighter and not got where he is today, by not being ruthless and determined in business. You, don;t have to like him, he is not here to make friends but the ultimate goal from the outset was to make the club successful, its all going wrong at the moment but I feel it won;t stop him. Whether, he can keep all the sponsors and co owners happy is an altogether different proposition, this is what eventually could lead to a separate takeover.

Whilst, many fans will ask for "our rangers back" the reality is that Flavio has probably ploughed more money into the club, then many have in recent years. That in my opinion, is the good thing that will come out of this all. Contrary to this club going to the wall, I think the future can only be positive for QPR, whatever happens in the coming weeks.

End of the day, if Flavio does sell and move on, he will not sell it a lost and that bodes well for us. It will mean a big backer will take over, simply because Flavio has ploughed in millions, any potential backers will have the money, not like recent times when they would promise funds, to be found out in that reality it was all fabrication or came with strings attached. The World of Flavio does mean, that if he decides enough is enough and wants to walk, he won't sell it on the cheap and I cannot imagine the return of the money buckets.

In my opinion whatever you think of Flavio and we could argue all day about what he has done, one thing for sure is that our current financial status and future would far less insecure if he hadn't taken over the club in the first place

I could have gone on. But I'm bored reading it again. Show me 3 things in there which isn't based on you opinion.

If it's your opinion fair enough but don't try dressing it up like you know.

btw. I haven't read through this complete thread. So apologies if this has already been said by others.

[qblockpete]

Would just like to say, some are pointing to the factual aspect on the way I write.

Well today in The Times

"there has been talk that the Mittal family would be interested taking on Flavio Briatore's stake and now we believe its the right time for him to move on"

Where has the talk come from?

And "we" illustrates all of us, not sure thats the case. So, whilst its okay to scrutinise my points, I think we could do that with everything.

[crossborderexile]

you can't get instant success - so the current events at Man City are all a fabrication ?

[superckat]

Would just like to say, some are pointing to the factual aspect on the way I write.

Well today in The Times

"there has been talk that the Mittal family would be interested taking on Flavio Briatore's stake and now we believe its the right time for him to move on"

Where has the talk come from?

And "we" illustrates all of us, not sure thats the case. So, whilst its okay to scrutinise my points, I think we could do that with everything.

Well then stop writing that way.

[essexhoop]

In the words of harry hill...Only one way to sort this out.....

[essexhoop]

Or perhaps keyboards at dawn

[bushkangaroo]

Flav goes, we'll be doing a Luton. Mittals won't want to touch us with a bargepole with all the bad publicity, and neither will sponsors. That's my educated guess. God, I hope I'm wrong....but am very pessimistic about our future, right at this time.

Don't believe that stuff in the Times about the Mittals but would love it, just love it, if I was wrong.

[Nodge70]

Flav goes, we'll be doing a Luton. Mittals won't want to touch us with a bargepole with all the bad publicity, and neither will sponsors. That's my educated guess. God, I hope I'm wrong....but am very pessimistic about our future, right at this time.

Don't believe that stuff in the Times about the Mittals but would love it, just love it, if I was wrong.

No chance. Absolutely none. Sure you are not Conners in disguise? :anger:

[jras72]

First of all, I would like to nip this in the bud once and for all about a Mittal takeover. Its a no go and anyone who thinks they will wave the magic wand if Flavio leaves, will be in for a shock.

I've seen stories in The Times today and on messageboards about giving the Mittals a "go at it". To be honest, they are more likely to leave than Flavio and it will be very hard to convince them to stay after the recent allegations, than suddenly to expect to take over the mantle. They have seen at first hand the fans responses when things don;t go well and to think they would want to be the main orchestratators of financing and running the club is way off the mark. When this venture was first sold to them, it was a positive thing and they could see the potential, but negative after negative story from price rises to the recent Flaviogate scandal, means they have taken more of a back seat in recent times. They would not want to be answering negative questions about the state of the club at this current time and the next 7-10 days will be harder to convince them to stay put, then to contrive a plan for a takeover. The latter just won;t happen. Flavio came in with the best intentions of making the place a success and The Mittals have seen at first hand, what happens when it goes wrong with fans and they don't gamble with business ventures in the same way Flavio would. No-one can take over a football club, demand or correctly predict success. What if, a year down the line we are in the same situation under new owners in the case of The Mittals, and they are getting booed and ridiculed in the press and global media, because results on the pitch are not going our way? They now know the risks involved and for that reason, they simply will not take-over whether we like it or not. The 20% stake is an indication of an interest only in the club and it would have been far easier to take full control before, 2 years down the line, it is simply not an attractive business proposition to take over a club mid-table in the championship and with the continual bad press it attracts. I like Amit alot, but its more likely to be a separate takeover than anyone currently at the club.

In regards to Bernie Ecclestone, being the main figurehead at F1 will make it very difficult to stay put at QPR in any capacity, if Monday;s meeting in Paris punishes Renault and bans Flavio from F1 for good, it will be regarded as a conflict of interest surely if he stays involved with Flavio at QPR. He has done alot more for the club, then people give him credit for, but he is even less likely to takeover the whole club than The Mittals, with his life being Formula One.

Where does that leave us and the club? I'm not altogether sure that Flavio is registered with the football league as Chairman, but lets for argument say he is. The football league would be hard pressed to sanction Flavio's involvement with the club, he has resigned from renualt and not been found guilty in a court of law. He might well be guilty, but the reality is even with the smallprint the Football League have, they will not be able to oust Flavio from his position within Queens Park Rangers football club.

Flavio, no doubt will go abroad for a week or two and assess, where he goes from here. He is a fighter and not got where he is today, by not being ruthless and determined in business. You, don;t have to like him, he is not here to make friends but the ultimate goal from the outset was to make the club successful, its all going wrong at the moment but I feel it won;t stop him. Whether, he can keep all the sponsors and co owners happy is an altogether different proposition, this is what eventually could lead to a separate takeover.

Whilst, many fans will ask for "our rangers back" the reality is that Flavio has probably ploughed more money into the club, then many have in recent years. That in my opinion, is the good thing that will come out of this all. Contrary to this club going to the wall, I think the future can only be positive for QPR, whatever happens in the coming weeks.

End of the day, if Flavio does sell and move on, he will not sell it a lost and that bodes well for us. It will mean a big backer will take over, simply because Flavio has ploughed in millions, any potential backers will have the money, not like recent times when they would promise funds, to be found out in that reality it was all fabrication or came with strings attached. The World of Flavio does mean, that if he decides enough is enough and wants to walk, he won't sell it on the cheap and I cannot imagine the return of the money buckets.

In my opinion whatever you think of Flavio and we could argue all day about what he has done, one thing for sure is that our current financial status and future would far less insecure if he hadn't taken over the club in the first place

Pete. I have to say this probably your best post to date. You've got it spot on here. JS

[BennyBoyRs]

I cannot for one minute see how some posters are saying Pete's post is 'spot on' as even by his admittance, this is an opinion and not at all factual.

So, by 'spot on' do you mean you know that the Mittal's are more likely to leave?

If so, why?

Also, why I also notice some of the posters that agree with Flav's money saving us (something I agree with) yet still blame GP for all things wrong at QPR. Remember who got Flav here in the 1st place guys.

[SM1882]

Well reasoned post Pete.

I for one agree with you wholeheartedly. On the positive, you would hope that no matter what eventually happens, we will still be in a strong enough position to push on - and I think we will.

It now seems quite likely that Flavio WON'T be punished any further, so you would assume he will continue on board at QPR...?

This could actually turn out to be a good thing for us. Let's wait and see what happens next.

[jras72]

All I can say BennyBoy is some people (not only people and Scott), know people hign up in the club.

[MYU]

Why all this rubbish because Flavio is not leaving the club.

[BennyBoyRs]

Well reasoned post Pete.

I for one agree with you wholeheartedly. On the positive, you would hope that no matter what eventually happens, we will still be in a strong enough position to push on - and I think we will.

It now seems quite likely that Flavio WON'T be punished any further, so you would assume he will continue on board at QPR...?

This could actually turn out to be a good thing for us. Let's wait and see what happens next.

That, I do agree with. I refuse to believe the Mittal's would just walk away if Flav goes though.