A long way to go!

[NW_Hoopz]

Interesting piece, cheers Dave.


Let's apply these figures to QPR.

According to QPR Report, last season's average attendance was 17,779. In year one our average gate would be 25,086. In year two, it increases by 44.9%. I don't know if this is based on the original attendance or the new attendance. The figures are either 25,761 or 36,349. However, the graph shows the real increases come in year four and beyond.

The report quoted says that Southampton and Huddersfield increased attendances by over 80%. For us that would mean average attendance rising to at least 32,002.

The increase of the 21 clubs with new grounds shows an average gate increase of 60%. This would bring ours up to 28,446. However, our average gate can expect to increase by more for the following reasons:

1. The new stadium is part of a new multi-billion pound development in a catchment area of at least 1.8m people. It is not just a new stadium being built in an out of town location.

2. It will be located in the capital and not a provincial town or city. Do not underestimate the power of attraction the capital has.

3. It is being built at a planned major rail interchange which will make travel easier for people living in the suburbs to the west and north west of London. Even if HS2 isn't built, if the new station is built for Crossrail as Transport for London is lobbying for, this will make access to the new stadium much better. It is expected that new transport links will be built because of the new housing development.

4. It will become an iconic stadium because it will be used to host lots of major events which will increase its prestige thus bringing in casual visitors from abroad.

5. The whole development has major financial and political backing, as well as support from the transport organisations such as Network Rail and TfL.

6. The new stadium will be located just 1.5 miles from LR so should not have a negative impact on our current fan base.

7. If last season's average attendance was 17,779, the club would only need to persuade around 1% of the 1.8m NW London catchment area to start attending matches which would take our average attendance past the 35,000 mark. Get the ticket prices right and this is achievable. Add in an increase of the away allocation from the current 3,000 to 5,000 for the likes of Arsenal Chelsea Spurs Liverpool Man City West Ham Newcastle and Man Utd and it's almost a full house.

I think I've made a reasonable case for the new stadium. I'm sure the club has carried out a comprehensive feasibility study which backs the decision to move.

It would be good to see the case made for remaining at LR by Vblock or W12, or anyone else in the 'no' camp.

Over to you guys.

Very good points there Richard BUT my EX WIFE has a degree & numerous qualifications in waffle ( Opppps Marketing ) and I'm sure if she was talking to me , she could knock me up a nicely worded report that shows how we are going to win the Champions League in 4 years .

You mentioned Huddersfield's stadium , its a very nice ground but have you been there when we have played there ? Its is soulless when half empty !

We accept LR can't be developed any further but 40k got the new stadium is just too big !

Anyone that does away games knows how depressing some of these half empty stadiums look !

[NW_Hoopz]

Right i'm putting this up and then going to bed. I suggest everyone reads it.......


http://footballplc.weebly.com/the-ne...um-effect.html

Nice little graph in there says bigger stadium = more income = better players on bigger salaries ..............
Mmmmmmmmmm

Groundhog Day

[QPR Richard]

Very good points there Richard BUT my EX WIFE has a degree & numerous qualifications in waffle ( Opppps Marketing ) and I'm sure if she was talking to me , she could knock me up a nicely worded report that shows how we are going to win the Champions League in 4 years .

You mentioned Huddersfield's stadium , its a very nice ground but have you been there when we have played there ? Its is soulless when half empty !

We accept LR can't be developed any further but 40k got the new stadium is just too big !

Anyone that does away games knows how depressing some of these half empty stadiums look !

I agree that 40k is too big based on current attendances, but as the report says, the major increases don't happen until year four. There is a lot of work to do to increase the fan base but it's doable. As I said, getting just 1% of just NW London to attend and it doubles our attendance.

The only reason I mentioned Huddersfield is because the report mentioned it.

You make an interesting point about half empty stadiums. I watched the FLS and saw loads of empty seats in the games involving Middlesbrough and Huddersfield. Quite shocking.

But are the stadiums half empty at Stoke Southampton Hull Cardiff Man City Arsenal Cardiff Swansea? They've all got new stadiums. The difference is the first group are in the champs and the second group are in the prem. It says a lot about the division when fans vote with their feet and stay away in their thousands. Yet we keep hearing the champs is a fantastic league. Lots would disagree.

[WeAreQPR12]

NW I agree with your points, but comparing huddersfield and other northern parts as a comparison is not even worth discussing.

The lack of employment makes going to football up north in these deprived areas impossible, and that is half the price of what we can charge.

Clearly I don't mean big cities like Liverpool and manchester but Huddersfield is a real dive and not an area for a fancy stadium, when the work is complete the surroundings will match the ground. We will need to be playing in the premier league by 2018 but that really is the only major concern with as some say lack of atmosphere due to non die hards

[vblockranger]

Oh, I thought you were banned or off to one of your BNP rallies....

BNP? not a member or ever voted for them. Why? you getting all red and sweaty Dicky boy?

[QPR Richard]

BNP? not a member or ever voted for them. Why? you getting all red and sweaty Dicky boy?

Well your views border on the extreme right at times. I don't get red and sweaty, but I'm sure you do when your shining up your jackboots....

[vblockranger]

Well your views border on the extreme right at times. I don't get red and sweaty, but I'm sure you do when your shining up your jackboots....

Extreme right? not in the slightest imo. You do seem to get all huffy when you cant force your opinions down everyones throat. Just have to accept that there are people who dont see things the way you do no matter how you try to force it. Accept that some people have different views and you will be much happier for it and it will keep your blood pressure down a bit. Its not good for your complexion :-) your missus must be a saint!

[QPRDave]

Nice little graph in there says bigger stadium = more income = better players on bigger salaries ..............
Mmmmmmmmmm

Groundhog Day

We all want better players though don't we?....I put up the comparison of the players we used to have in a previous era.....surely it's better to have your Bartons, Austins, etc than some of those players.
I think the trouble is we keep harping back to Hughes' reign and the money spent then. We paid over the odds for these players especially in wages, although most of us were delighted with the signings.
Harry imo is completely different and will not take a player who wants too much and as importantly the board have learn't a harsh, harsh lesson.
Harry has shown again imo with his signings he knows the market and value for money....we just need a good manager, not one who's best friend is an agent

[QPR Richard]

Extreme right? not in the slightest imo. You do seem to get all huffy when you cant force your opinions down everyones throat. Just have to accept that there are people who dont see things the way you do no matter how you try to force it. Accept that some people have different views and you will be much happier for it and it will keep your blood pressure down a bit. Its not good for your complexion :-) your missus must be a saint!

I debate with facts, you debate by abusing people. Wasn't that why you got banned from here?

Never mind, I'll say hello next time you're goose stepping down SAR

[QPR71]

these are plans based on a minimum stadium completion time of 5 years, then surely it is sensible of the board to plan for the short, medium and long term after the move.
therefore these plans are for 10, 15 and 25 years and beyond....football economics will change dramatically in that time,,, fewer amounts of large clubs soaking up more and more
support and the others miles below and stuggling....might be sad but there it is.....I probably wont be around in 25 years but I hope qpr can attain top status because there isn't much
alternative as things evolve

[vblockranger]

I debate with facts, you debate by abusing people. Wasn't that why you got banned from here?

Never mind, I'll say hello next time you're goose stepping down SAR

K so you accept my right to have an opinion and respect my views like i respect yours? Your missus/Mr must give in to every argument with you as you seem used to getting your own way :-)

[QPR Richard]

K so you accept my right to have an opinion and respect my views like i respect yours? Your missus/Mr must give in to every argument with you as you seem used to getting your own way :-)

Actually we don't argue. I do as I'm told

[Martinmalta]

Should be a 30k stadium and when that's full all season then expand. Just being realistic.

I tend to agree to a 40k Stadium. If its 30k, you can only get the 30k in, whereas if a 40k, you can have crowds like that....even if occasionally. What's the point in building a new Stadium and spend all the money, to built something equivalent of what you already have? One have also to keep in mind that the owners are planning to use the Stadium for other activities as well, as Phil Beard declared when interviewed.

[HammersmithR]

I am not saying we will fill 40 thousand every week, but build a successful product and big players will come and people will want to see these big players. I can remember Chelsea getting well under 10 thousand for home games. They get taken over with a lot of investment in better players and they start to win things. This Old Oak project looks brilliant and exciting. We are effectively part of a new town. There is a huge housing crisis in London. Much of this housing will no doubt be sold to people with expendable income and I am sure deals will be done where they might even get a free season ticket for every property purchased! Our backers are successful people. Thus project will take a long time to come to fruition, but we need to remember we need to build a club that will be here for the future long after we're dead. That can't be done at Loftus Rd. HS2 will happen. Our new ground will be right next to the largest train station in the UK. Great links to all over the country and the airports. You can't ask for more than that. In this day and age of financial fair play we need to generate other sources of income. Our ground will be used for all sorts of things. The 02 has been a success, but is a ball ache to get to. Our new stadium will be in the heart of London literally mins from the centre of London. And it's only 10 mins from Loftus Rd. I am excited about the future.

[QPR71]

^^^^^^the definitive post on the matter imo