Anton Ferdinand

[Rangers77]

Seems i didn't say defeats either...

LOL

[Rangers77]

So AF didnt cost us the game,..

Two goals, one of which he passed the ball to the striker in our box, against WBA away cost us three points; two points against Reading at home; we might have got a draw a Man U; his own goal against Soton sealed our fate (but we were so poor we'd never proved able to chase the game after Holiett got one back)...... Still, five points would come in handy at present. I could go on, but if you rate him...

[QPRDave]

I said goals......not defeats. Not even points. I could describe the goals I mention in horrible detail. And Anton was personally responsible for those I cited. Its tough on defenders and goalies, I know. One mistake and they cost us a goal. We cannot tell, other than clear cut misses, how many goals we failed to score thanks to Cisse's underperformances. But that's life in the big city.....

Seems i didn't say defeats either...

[qpr4life]

I said goals......not defeats. Not even points. I could describe the goals I mention in horrible detail. And Anton was personally responsible for those I cited. Its tough on defenders and goalies, I know. One mistake and they cost us a goal. We cannot tell, other than clear cut misses, how many goals we failed to score thanks to Cisse's underperformances. But that's life in the big city.....

So AF didnt cost us the game,..

[Rangers77]

So Cesar was personally responsible for defats at Swansea, Spurs West Ham?? Is it not a team game? Are our faultering strikers not responsible personally as its their job to score goals and if they had Anton's alleged mistakes would not have mattered?

I said goals......not defeats. Not even points. I could describe the goals I mention in horrible detail. And Anton was personally responsible for those I cited. Its tough on defenders and goalies, I know. One mistake and they cost us a goal. We cannot tell, other than clear cut misses, how many goals we failed to score thanks to Cisse's underperformances. But that's life in the big city.....

[qpr4life]

So Cesar was personally responsible for defats at Swansea, Spurs West Ham?? Is it not a team game? Are our faultering strikers not responsible personally as its their job to score goals and if they had Anton's alleged mistakes would not have mattered?

My exact thoughts, I decided not to continue my battle on this. But my point in a nutshell is this...

How can someone be blammed personally is beyond me.

Cesar is a great example.....

[Rangers77]

LOL - Constructively booing....

1. I think players know when they are playing bad or do something bad e.g Clint Hill against WBA/Swansea

Booing MH, erm... yeah That did work and I understand the need for this. It worked and its something we all wanted.

I just think booing and slagging players of verbally doesnt work.

Like sarcastically clapping players as they get subbed.... That for me is nasty and ridiculous.

I get what your saying, just think booing is a bit mad.

Can I make a point, We was terrible for years. We got lucky and got new owners who now love the club - We should remember where we came from!

I think the trouble is we all worry where we're going....... :-)

[QPRDave]

Yep. Carefully chosen words. Those goals were down to him and mistakes he made....

So Cesar was personally responsible for defats at Swansea, Spurs West Ham?? Is it not a team game? Are our faultering strikers not responsible personally as its their job to score goals and if they had Anton's alleged mistakes would not have mattered?

[qpr4life]

I think folk have different boiling points, tbh. Mindless, endless, pointless abuse isn't to be tolerated, but I've always thought that fans- if pushed to the limit by their team's consistently poor performance and their failure to compete- have a right to make thoer opinions known even, at times, by constructively booing players or managers. I respect the fact that a lot of folk genuonely believe there's no such thing as constructive booing, but I'm glad many of us nearly ruined our voices callling for Hughes' head when we were 0-2 and 1-3 down against Southampton (not when the score was 0-0, 0-1 or 1-2 when we had a chance). It got rid of him. I wish we'd booed him much earlier in the season...... And, I have to admit, I gave Anton some stick when he woefully enabled MKDs to score their second. I guess I did that because he'd been so bad so many times all season. For instance when Clint Hill was done up like a kipper by Suarez twice against Liverpool I would never have dreamed of booing him for that. There, I guess, is a connundrum.... I guess its because Clint is honest and hardworking. There's something about the guy fans like, which means he'll never get stick. Other players aren't so lucky, but in the end it comes down to people's appreciation of performance and effort or their expectation of a player. But I agree with you abusing players for the sake of doing so is best avoided. Especially if they're trying their best. But football's a passion and we all get carried away. If we didn't care we wouldn't......

LOL - Constructively booing....

1. I think players know when they are playing bad or do something bad e.g Clint Hill against WBA/Swansea

Booing MH, erm... yeah That did work and I understand the need for this. It worked and its something we all wanted.

I just think booing and slagging players of verbally doesnt work.

Like sarcastically clapping players as they get subbed.... That for me is nasty and ridiculous.

I get what your saying, just think booing is a bit mad.

Can I make a point, We was terrible for years. We got lucky and got new owners who now love the club - We should remember where we came from!

[Rangers77]

Personally responsible??

Yep. Carefully chosen words. Those goals were down to him and mistakes he made....

[QPRDave]

Personally responsible for numerous goals this season: among them two at WBA, one against Soton, two at Man U, one against Reading, one against MKD... But let's agree to disagree. I note, mind, that the Turkish club have dropped Anton to the bench.... It didn't take them too long to work out his, er, concentration problems. That's bad news, however, because it means the t0sspot might be on his way back.

Personally responsible??

[Rangers77]

Thats my only gripe my friend.

Not a fan off booing your own players, shouting at them to extent off losing confidence so when they do play for us they play even worst.

Just dont get it, Booing just seems pointless! It makes no difference.

I can understand the points you made above, and the fact is you have strong evidence of his failings (I'm not gonna go check this up, its believable)

I just cannot understand the point in abusing people....

I think folk have different boiling points, tbh. Mindless, endless, pointless abuse isn't to be tolerated, but I've always thought that fans- if pushed to the limit by their team's consistently poor performance and their failure to compete- have a right to make thoer opinions known even, at times, by constructively booing players or managers. I respect the fact that a lot of folk genuonely believe there's no such thing as constructive booing, but I'm glad many of us nearly ruined our voices callling for Hughes' head when we were 0-2 and 1-3 down against Southampton (not when the score was 0-0, 0-1 or 1-2 when we had a chance). It got rid of him. I wish we'd booed him much earlier in the season...... And, I have to admit, I gave Anton some stick when he woefully enabled MKDs to score their second. I guess I did that because he'd been so bad so many times all season. For instance when Clint Hill was done up like a kipper by Suarez twice against Liverpool I would never have dreamed of booing him for that. There, I guess, is a connundrum.... I guess its because Clint is honest and hardworking. There's something about the guy fans like, which means he'll never get stick. Other players aren't so lucky, but in the end it comes down to people's appreciation of performance and effort or their expectation of a player. But I agree with you abusing players for the sake of doing so is best avoided. Especially if they're trying their best. But football's a passion and we all get carried away. If we didn't care we wouldn't......

[qpr4life]

I hold my hands up; I'm not fond of the guy, but only because he's been so bad for us, but think you make a fair point about avoiding being unnecessarily abusive.

Thats my only gripe my friend.

Not a fan off booing your own players, shouting at them to extent off losing confidence so when they do play for us they play even worst.

Just dont get it, Booing just seems pointless! It makes no difference.

I can understand the points you made above, and the fact is you have strong evidence of his failings (I'm not gonna go check this up, its believable)

I just cannot understand the point in abusing people....

[maverick69]

To have confidence, and thus, to be a "confidence player", you need brain cells...... which Anton seems to be sadly lacking....... which is a shame - because he actually has a good natural touch on the ball IMO.

[Rangers77]

I thought I could agree with you because you had good facts....

Then you said this, and you bring yourself down to a pointless personal level.

Ah well, enjoy slagging people off

I hold my hands up; I'm not fond of the guy, but only because he's been so bad for us, but think you make a fair point about avoiding being unnecessarily abusive.