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  • Del
    Gold Seat
    • Mar 2009
    • 8393

    #16
    Originally posted by Ginger Ninja
    Funny. No one was moaning about green in our 4 games unbeaten. One mistake and boom, he needs to be dropped. Beggars belief.


    Blinkers there mate. And not just 1 mistake....

    Sunderland away - half game did well.
    Villa home - imo at fault for the goal as he got 2 hands on the ball and didnt get it around the post. Summary he should've gone with just his left hand and by default easily saved it as his reach would be greater with one hand.
    Wigan away - did fine
    Fulham home - Absolute farce created by his initial bad pass to a defender with player up his ar53, then flapped the clearance when given it back, straight to Rodelaga who should've scored when Green fell on his ar53.
    Newcastle away - did ok
    West Brom home - Regardless of any nudge, he got in a ridiculous position behind the goal line and i don't think he'd have saved it even without the nudge as tried to push over the bar, not punch. He screwed up massively here.

    I'd say there's a lot more than 1 mistake there, add to that he always looks edgy when any ball played to him and distribution poor most of the time. His kick straight to Foster on Wednesday summed it up for me.

    I'd also say there's a clear pattern with his mistakes, ie they all come at home... maybe he feels more pressure in front of our fans and for some reason it's is affecting his performances and costing up points.

    Cesar all day long for me.

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    • Timmy the Doc
      Silver Seat
      • Jan 2012
      • 3193

      #17
      I like them both, but would choose Green, he's better with crosses.

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      • MattyRangers
        Slimmer of The Year
        • Jun 2011
        • 24914

        #18
        Originally posted by W12_Ranger
        Greens a better keeper, not much else to say
        This.
        You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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        • West Acton
          CCG
          • Dec 2009
          • 21475

          #19
          Originally posted by Del
          I'd also say there's a clear pattern with his mistakes, ie they all come at home... maybe he feels more pressure in front of our fans and for some reason it's is affecting his performances and costing up points.

          Cesar all day long for me.
          And throws the ball in his net at the School end Swansea, Villa & WBA (open to debate). Think he has played possibly five games at Home and has made a glaring error which has resulted in a goal or should have in four of them.

          How people think Green who has played for Norwich, West Ham and us and warmed the bench for England (again when not throwing the ball in his net) is better then Ceser who has played for one of the biggest clubs in the world while they won numerous cups and was a regular for Brazil is beyond me.

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          • MattyRangers
            Slimmer of The Year
            • Jun 2011
            • 24914

            #20
            Originally posted by West Acton
            And throws the ball in his net at the School end Swansea, Villa & WBA (open to debate). Think he has played possibly five games at Home and has made a glaring error which has resulted in a goal or should have in four of them.

            How people think Green who has played for Norwich, West Ham and us and warmed the bench for England (again when not throwing the ball in his net) is better then Ceser who has played for one of the biggest clubs in the world while they won numerous cups and was a regular for Brazil is beyond me.

            Threw the ball in his own net vs villa? Hahahaha unbelievable.
            You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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            • swede
              Silver Seat
              • Mar 2009
              • 3130

              #21
              Originally posted by Del
              Blinkers there mate. And not just 1 mistake....

              Sunderland away - half game did well.
              Villa home - imo at fault for the goal as he got 2 hands on the ball and didnt get it around the post. Summary he should've gone with just his left hand and by default easily saved it as his reach would be greater with one hand.
              Wigan away - did fine
              Fulham home - Absolute farce created by his initial bad pass to a defender with player up his ar53, then flapped the clearance when given it back, straight to Rodelaga who should've scored when Green fell on his ar53.
              Newcastle away - did ok
              West Brom home - Regardless of any nudge, he got in a ridiculous position behind the goal line and i don't think he'd have saved it even without the nudge as tried to push over the bar, not punch. He screwed up massively here.

              I'd say there's a lot more than 1 mistake there, add to that he always looks edgy when any ball played to him and distribution poor most of the time. His kick straight to Foster on Wednesday summed it up for me.

              I'd also say there's a clear pattern with his mistakes, ie they all come at home... maybe he feels more pressure in front of our fans and for some reason it's is affecting his performances and costing up points.

              Cesar all day long for me.

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              • swede
                Silver Seat
                • Mar 2009
                • 3130

                #22
                Originally posted by W12_Ranger
                Greens a better keeper, not much else to say

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                • West Acton
                  CCG
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 21475

                  #23
                  Originally posted by MattyRangers
                  Threw the ball in his own net vs villa? Hahahaha unbelievable.
                  Opinions buddy you clearly thought he made a decent effort but in my book if you get two hands to the ball you need to be tipping it around the post. Take Villa goal out the loop we still have Swansea, Fulham and arguably WBA some are saying he was at fault for first goal on sat too

                  You said Green is better then Ceser so in what areas does he excel over Ceser?? I would possibly say he catches the ball more but struggling with anything else

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                  • QPRWEBBIE
                    Silver Seat
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 3172

                    #24
                    Does make me laugh,the amount of people who were coming on here earlier this season slating cesar for conceding goals which were in fact deflections very close to him in which he no chance of saving and now your back on greens case for making a blunder when he was actually fouled. Do your homework and look back at all the games that both keepers have played in and see how many times they have saved us from getting a drubbing..............then look at how many chances we have missed to get points but for bad finishing.

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                    • Marshy
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 1958

                      #25
                      Cesar makes less mistakes, so I would start him.

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                      • lymehoop
                        Gold Seat
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7380

                        #26
                        In the seventies England had a dozen or more top quality keepers, our two would have struggled in the old 2nd division, to think it costs the club £100,000 a week to employ these 2 is quite sad
                        I must away now, I can no longer tarry
                        This morning's tempest I have to cross
                        I must be guided without a stumble
                        Into the arms I love the most

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                        • West Acton
                          CCG
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 21475

                          #27
                          Originally posted by lymehoop
                          In the seventies England had a dozen or more top quality keepers, our two would have struggled in the old 2nd division, to think it costs the club £100,000 a week to employ these 2 is quite sad
                          For the extra salary we spent on Green I dont think he was a major improvement on Paddy were probably 30k a week less in the pocket for a keeper whose ability is not that much better.

                          He was an easy option as he was free and we wanted to replace Kenny. Personally I would have gone for Robinson or Al Habsi

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                          • QPRWEBBIE
                            Silver Seat
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 3172

                            #28
                            Originally posted by West Acton
                            For the extra salary we spent on Green I dont think he was a major improvement on Paddy were probably 30k a week less in the pocket for a keeper whose ability is not that much better.

                            He was an easy option as he was free and we wanted to replace Kenny. Personally I would have gone for Robinson or Al Habsi

                            I think Ben Foster would of been a better catch

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                            • 80sCasual
                              CCG
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9231

                              #29
                              Green seems to control his area better and communicates with the defenders (when they are there lol), Cesar has shown to be a better shot stopper but does not control his defence and prefers to punch the ball rather than catch it, set pieces being an example (not unlike Cerny really)
                              Thing is who do the players prefer to have behind them? Surely that is what matters, who they feel more comfortable with.
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                              • West Acton
                                CCG
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 21475

                                #30
                                Originally posted by 80sCasual
                                Green seems to control his area better and communicates with the defenders (when they are there lol), Cesar has shown to be a better shot stopper but does not control his defence and prefers to punch the ball rather than catch it, set pieces being an example (not unlike Cerny really)
                                Thing is who do the players prefer to have behind them? Surely that is what matters, who they feel more comfortable with.
                                good point actually who the defence are comfortable with should play a part.

                                A punch on saturday would have gone down a treat.........

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