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  • #91
    first thing we dont need 40.000 seats? 30.000 will be enough but with forsight they could make sure that the capacity could be increased, we're having trouble selling 18.000 at the moment. too big a stadium will be like playing in a morgue like some other new ground i.e. Coventry etc. Also wasn't the scrubs burial site for those that died during the plague might be some resrictions on that land.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by dave58 View Post
      first thing we dont need 40.000 seats? 30.000 will be enough but with forsight they could make sure that the capacity could be increased, we're having trouble selling 18.000 at the moment. too big a stadium will be like playing in a morgue like some other new ground i.e. Coventry etc. Also wasn't the scrubs burial site for those that died during the plague might be some resrictions on that land.
      It'll cost a lot of money to call the builders in for a second time to redevelop, not to mention people having to miss games because certain areas will be closed.
      Supporting QPR isn't just about a football team. It's about roots and identity.

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      • #93
        i say we just build the ##### and be done with it.

        stop all this farting around and just send 10 air asia jumbos over to korea every friday night. fill em up and bring em back.
        nsa/cia spy on this..............┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

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        • #94
          Originally posted by QPR Richard View Post
          If it's to be west London, there's only two other choices. The first is the Scrubs. I'
          And to think you were trying to convince me you knew what you were talking about ;) Even if it were legally possible, the whole or partial destruction of the largest green space in W.London would be the biggest PR own goal in the entire history of football and rightly earn us the enmity of pretty much... everyone really, and not in a positive way. Unigate or Aunty for my money with a 50p saver on Old Oak Common, the railtrack still own huge chunks of derelict land over there (far side of scrubs).

          As for soothing words about how our rich owners will shoulder the burden.... you don't get to be a millionaire by exposing your core business to debt, and there is a risk of exposure. Football is far from TFs core business.

          I'd want to see how the deal was structured. Everyone is going on about TF but for my money none of this would be possible without Mittal investment.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
            And to think you were trying to convince me you knew what you were talking about ;) Even if it were legally possible, the whole or partial destruction of the largest green space in W.London would be the biggest PR own goal in the entire history of football and rightly earn us the enmity of pretty much... everyone really, and not in a positive way. Unigate or Aunty for my money with a 50p saver on Old Oak Common, the railtrack still own huge chunks of derelict land over there (far side of scrubs).

            As for soothing words about how our rich owners will shoulder the burden.... you don't get to be a millionaire by exposing your core business to debt, and there is a risk of exposure. Football is far from TFs core business.

            I'd want to see how the deal was structured. Everyone is going on about TF but for my money none of this would be possible without Mittal investment.
            Excellent

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            • #96
              Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
              And to think you were trying to convince me you knew what you were talking about ;) Even if it were legally possible, the whole or partial destruction of the largest green space in W.London would be the biggest PR own goal in the entire history of football and rightly earn us the enmity of pretty much... everyone really, and not in a positive way. Unigate or Aunty for my money with a 50p saver on Old Oak Common, the railtrack still own huge chunks of derelict land over there (far side of scrubs).

              As for soothing words about how our rich owners will shoulder the burden.... you don't get to be a millionaire by exposing your core business to debt, and there is a risk of exposure. Football is far from TFs core business.

              I'd want to see how the deal was structured. Everyone is going on about TF but for my money none of this would be possible without Mittal investment.
              Perhaps choice was the wrong word. As I mentioned earlier, the Scrubs option isn't an option at all because of the act of parliament and a type of conservation area.

              With regards to how the deal is being done, I suspect Lakshmi Mittal is putting up a fair bit of the money, but we won't know until the funding has been announced. We've got an asset for sale in LR, plus naming rights, and if it's going to be built incorporating other activities then there could be shared costs.

              We will have to wait till the whole deal is announced, but for me I'm looking forward to a new stadium.
              Supporting QPR isn't just about a football team. It's about roots and identity.

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              • #97
                Of course, the announcement of a new ground could be a red herring.

                The 3pm press conference & global branding could be news of signing Park ?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by QPR1976 View Post
                  Of course, the announcement of a new ground could be a red herring.

                  The 3pm press conference & global branding could be news of signing Park ?
                  They wouldn't be inviting the national and international press to a meeting at an off-site location just to announce a player signing, especially after what TF has tweeted today.
                  Supporting QPR isn't just about a football team. It's about roots and identity.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by QPR Richard View Post
                    They wouldn't be inviting the national and international press to a meeting at an off-site location just to announce a player signing, especially after what TF has tweeted today.
                    I really can't work it out. Thing is Park Ji Sung is a huge signing for on & off the field. I'm really hopeful it's both.

                    Only thing that's sad is i'm wishing my weekend away now just to see what's what on Monday!
                    Last edited by qpr; 06-07-2012, 11:10 PM.
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                    Luke Freeman, top assists in the league: 4million
                    Alex Smithies, great goalie for this club: 3,5million
                    Charlie Austin, 19 Premier League goals: 4million
                    Jack Robinson: Contract ran out, left for free
                    And many more mistakes

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                    • Originally posted by qpr View Post
                      I really can't work it out. Thing is Park Ji Sung is a huge signing for on & off the field. I'm really hopefuly it's both.

                      Only thing that's sad is i'm wishing my weekend away now just to see what's what on Monday!
                      Think it'll be both, but then I'm greedy
                      Supporting QPR isn't just about a football team. It's about roots and identity.

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                      • For all those "WE CAN'T SELL 18,000", season tickets are already limited from renewals, when they go on sale to members on the 9th I think we might be talking differently here. TF must have had positive interest on ST's for these plans to suddenly come into light, agree?
                        QPR, remember that name, you'll be cursing it later

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                        • Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
                          And to think you were trying to convince me you knew what you were talking about ;) Even if it were legally possible, the whole or partial destruction of the largest green space in W.London would be the biggest PR own goal in the entire history of football and rightly earn us the enmity of pretty much... everyone really, and not in a positive way. Unigate or Aunty for my money with a 50p saver on Old Oak Common, the railtrack still own huge chunks of derelict land over there (far side of scrubs).

                          As for soothing words about how our rich owners will shoulder the burden.... you don't get to be a millionaire by exposing your core business to debt, and there is a risk of exposure. Football is far from TFs core business.

                          I'd want to see how the deal was structured. Everyone is going on about TF but for my money none of this would be possible without Mittal investment.
                          Mittal is likely to put up the cash
                          I came here to chew gum and kick ass,and I'm all outta gum!

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                          • I have a feeling at least one of the three proposed sites is outside H & F, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the proposed sites are outside.
                            One point getting the physical site but another is how to fill. Our owners must have noted that last season after 15 years in the wilderness and for once having great owners, that fans weren't flooding in, s/t sales werent great and apart from say Man Utd, tickets were available easily to all games, so if you can't sell out 18k following the euphoria of promotion and the maylasian spring, how are we going to sell out regularly 30k. Someone is going to have to fund it and a large proportion will be the fans.

                            I don't accept fans will simply come and fill the ground because it has a cinema and a hotel attached, and the reason they don't currently come is because of poor facilities. QPR fans are brought up on cramped, poor conditions with poor viewing that why we all have dodgy necks and scrapped knees. I don't know one QPR fan that doesnt go to a game because of conditions of the ground. I know many who don't go because of commitments and cost but those won't change with a new stadium. Prices will be the same or more with a new ground just ask any gooner or bluebird(with a tinge of red).

                            I therefore believe a new stadium is not going to be filled with existing fans suddenly turning up, we as a club will only achieve increase attendances by finding a new hinterland IMHO.

                            It's only a guess but I think one of the sites will be in Ealing, the community trust do a lot of work in that borough schooling wise, it's a borough without an existing rival football club, I think the new training ground falls under Ealing, not really influenced by Chelsea or Ealing, lots of young couples with money, loads of schools, land probably cheaper than h & f, local council probably be more favourable by having both ground and training facilities together, policing be easier as no longer have 3 premiership teams in one borough.

                            I don't know but I would be surprised if Tony and Amit haven't had a good look at Ealing as a potential ground when they were visiting warren farm. Tony has said west London and Ealing has a W postcode.
                            Last edited by TBLOCKRANGER; 07-07-2012, 02:14 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by C-Dizzle View Post
                              For all those "WE CAN'T SELL 18,000", season tickets are already limited from renewals, when they go on sale to members on the 9th I think we might be talking differently here. TF must have had positive interest on ST's for these plans to suddenly come into light, agree?

                              When Southampton were at The Dell they had a capacity of 15,000 and not always sold it when they moved it to St Marys they got a capacity of 32,000 and sold out each game. Peole like new grounds and the good thing with this is we will go into a new stadium in 3 years time with the best side we have ever had.

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                              • Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
                                Old Oak Common, the railtrack still own huge chunks of derelict land over there (far side of scrubs).
                                The land on Old Oak Common is already under development partly for HS2 and Park Royal City Station of which the plans look amazing

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