Barton unimpressed by Taarabt

[BennyBoyRs]

Sign that he's out of his depth?
I hope he isn't.

I don't think he's out of his depth. I just feel that by him letting the chunky morrocan lourd it in the squad, it's caused problems. Adel seems to be allowed to do as he feels, and our fans don't help. The way he was cheered for his first touch said it all. He feels that and in turn we're all ok with it. Neil has let this type of thing happen too long, and I feel it's beyond repair until we sell him. It's clear that the likes of Barton and SWP aren't going to put up with it. Both of them had a great first two games. Even Adel looked like he'd prove his worth with the big boys, but after two weeks, these personalities have clashed and the togetherness has deserted the squad. None of them seem to be on the same wavelength. Newcastle, Wolves and for large parts Villa...the team looked to have bonded. Now it's like they all have their divisions, and it's Neil's job to put an end to it. As I say, I fear it's too late to repair whilst keeping Taarabt.

On reflection, maybe my opening statement isn't correct. As I went on, it seems it could be that Neil cannot manage such powerful personalities. I am in no way calling for his head as I would love to see Neil continue to take us forward, but can he do it? The next 4 games are going to be unbelievably tough. I'd like to think he'll be given the Jan window to prove himself.

I still trust in the man. I hope he gets this mess sorted, and starts to be honest. Not praising a 6-0 loss. That s**t winds me up.

[rickyranger]

The unrest we are seeing now is as a result of the free reign Warnock gave Tarrabt last year. As I predicted better players who have played at this level for many years will simply not put up with the behavior of a player like Tarrabt, who despite being talented has done nothing in the Prem and is byond lazy.

Trouble was always likely, don't get me wrong if Tarrabt was smashing them in all over the place then the players might be more forgiving. Take yesterday for example nicks in front of Salgardo and when clean through tries to hit from 20yards and scuffs it, good Prem players tuck those away. Yes he has had more shoots than any one but not yet scored and that is the problem.

[BennyBoyRs]

The unrest we are seeing now is as a result of the free reign Warnock gave Tarrabt last year. As I predicted better players who have played at this level for many years will simply not put up with the behavior of a player like Tarrabt, who despite being talented has done nothing in the Prem and is byond lazy.

Trouble was always likely, don't get me wrong if Tarrabt was smashing them in all over the place then the players might be more forgiving. Take yesterday for example nicks in front of Salgardo and when clean through tries to hit from 20yards and scuffs it, good Prem players tuck those away. Yes he has had more shoots than any one but not yet scored and that is the problem.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that letting Taarabt do as he pleases has caused problems. Now I won't be the only one slated for questioning this.

[rickyranger]

I don't think he's out of his depth. I just feel that by him letting the chunky morrocan lourd it in the squad, it's caused problems. Adel seems to be allowed to do as he feels, and our fans don't help. The way he was cheered for his first touch said it all. He feels that and in turn we're all ok with it. Neil has let this type of thing happen too long, and I feel it's beyond repair until we sell him. It's clear that the likes of Barton and SWP aren't going to put up with it. Both of them had a great first two games. Even Adel looked like he'd prove his worth with the big boys, but after two weeks, these personalities have clashed and the togetherness has deserted the squad. None of them seem to be on the same wavelength. Newcastle, Wolves and for large parts Villa...the team looked to have bonded. Now it's like they all have their divisions, and it's Neil's job to put an end to it. As I say, I fear it's too late to repair whilst keeping Taarabt.

On reflection, maybe my opening statement isn't correct. As I went on, it
seems it could be that Neil cannot manage such powerful personalities. I am in no way calling for his head as I would love to see Neil continue to take us
forward, but can he do it? The next 4 games are going to be unbelievably
tough. I'd like to think he'll be given the Jan window to prove himself.

I still trust in the man. I hope he gets this mess sorted, and starts to be honest. Not praising a 6-0 loss. That s**t winds me up.

Absolutely spot on post Benny, although don't agree re Warnock sorting out the mess which he has largely caused. How on earth can you publicly slaughter Tarore for a missed time challenge a couple of minutes from a game that we have played well in but defend Tarrabt for leaving at half time when we have been very poor.

[Dazzer1977]

Maybe Barton should shut his mouth and try letting his football do his talking rather run away every weekend. I still think he's a very good Premiership player (as I defended him last week so last weekend on other threads) BUT he's hardly been setting the world on fire since his move from Newcastle. C'mon Joey shut your mouth and lets see your football do the talking ah!

[Jeffro]

Benny I don't get your point by saying it's not helped by cheering his 1st touch... What we supposed to do; boo him?

Whatever people say, he is still our biggest threat when on the pitch.

[BennyBoyRs]

Benny I don't get your point by saying it's not helped by cheering his 1st touch... What we supposed to do; boo him?

Whatever people say, he is still our biggest threat when on the pitch.

Massively taken out of context, mate. If your son for instance mis-behaved, would you cheer him? Of course you wouldn't.

The point I'm making is that fans still treat him like a god when he's being a c**t. This type of act makes Adel think he can continue to do so, as you'll reward him regardless.

I hope that clears up what I meant. I'm pretty sure you know I didn't mean to boo him as you know my stance on booing, but I thought I'd answer just to clarify what I meant.

[BennyBoyRs]

And I'd have to disagree on the treat, too. His actions aren't helping the team. On top of that, his finishing has gone downhill massively. He's missed a fair few chances this season. He wasted a few at Wolves which did t matter, but cost us dearly yesterday. I'm not saying he's to blame, but if he's that great, how did he not even test the 'keeper from there? Bothroyd would have been slaughtered for it, which is my point.

[Jeffro]

Problem is in football it's much more clear cut, you either boo, stay quiet or cheer, and when our best player comes on to try change a game, we cheer.
If that means we incite more behaviour from him then so be it.

I can't help worrying there are big problems within the squad.

[Shania]

I don't think he's out of his depth. I just feel that by him letting the chunky morrocan lourd it in the squad, it's caused problems. Adel seems to be allowed to do as he feels, and our fans don't help. The way he was cheered for his first touch said it all. He feels that and in turn we're all ok with it. Neil has let this type of thing happen too long, and I feel it's beyond repair until we sell him. It's clear that the likes of Barton and SWP aren't going to put up with it. Both of them had a great first two games. Even Adel looked like he'd prove his worth with the big boys, but after two weeks, these personalities have clashed and the togetherness has deserted the squad. None of them seem to be on the same wavelength. Newcastle, Wolves and for large parts Villa...the team looked to have bonded. Now it's like they all have their divisions, and it's Neil's job to put an end to it. As I say, I fear it's too late to repair whilst keeping Taarabt.

On reflection, maybe my opening statement isn't correct. As I went on, it seems it could be that Neil cannot manage such powerful personalities. I am in no way calling for his head as I would love to see Neil continue to take us forward, but can he do it? The next 4 games are going to be unbelievably tough. I'd like to think he'll be given the Jan window to prove himself.

I still trust in the man. I hope he gets this mess sorted, and starts to be honest. Not praising a 6-0 loss. That s**t winds me up.

Spot on!! absolutly spot on!!

[BennyBoyRs]

I can't help worrying there are big problems within the squad.

I agree, although I think that our 'star' is a mojor factor in that. He doesn't want to be here. He couldn't give a f**k about me, you, Neil or the club. We are still beneath him, and he feels he deserves more. I'm not trying to hang him out to dry. Ok, you may think I've gone down the Mason route, but I assure you I haven't. I still think he's a talent, but as you well know, I'll never sit back and watch everyone champion a man who doesn't deserve it. I always have an opinion, and whether you agree or not, I don't just say things for the sake of it. I'll always give reason for my opinions. Until he grows up, I'll always see him as more of a cancer to this team than a great threat for us.

[rangersroar]

I am starting to think that it's either or, and I fear we will lose Taarabt, as I feel Barton coming is the proverbial straw for him - wouldn't blame him for going if his own captain is going to #### him off like that.
Taarabt inspired the others last season with a string of great performances, Barton can hardly claim the same.

This is a very sad situation, and I wonder if NW will have the balls to censure JB for this -- or is he too afraid of his own captain?

[rangersroar]

Taarabt never slagged off his own players, and he delivered the goods on the pitch.
He also wanted to be here, whereas Barton has admitted he didn't want to leave Newcastle, and his lack of spirit shows his heart isn't in it for us -- where is the Barton from that Arsenal game who showed fire and passion? If he was giving 100%, we'd accept the odd flare-up, yellow card or even red card, if we felt it was down to the desire to win.
His mind is still at Newcastle, and he shouldn't be captain for that reason alone, let alone slagging off his own team-mate publicly.
He should be punished for that, but I bet NW hasn't got the balls for it.

Again,

[loftlag]

Tarahbt is a shadow of what He was i the Championship, the way He has been playinig for most of this season He can forget about Barca Arsenal or anybody else it will be interesting see what people think in January

[James1979]

Tarrabt has earnt our support after his performances not only last season but also whilst on loan here. Barton has been here 5 minutes. I'm more willing to give adel a bit more room to cause irritation because of what he's done for us to date and also because he's still the best player in the squad.

Also people talk about him this season, but on the pitch he's been one of our best players