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**Nodge70** · 10-09-2011, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by wicksta

Actually, using Sauber as an argument is actually debunking your own theory. When they sponsored Sauber the team was still called Sauber and in fact still is. When they bought outright the Jaguar team they renamed it, they wouldn't have been able to call it Jaguar even if they wanted to. So they can quite easily sponsor teams without renaming them it seems.

However, I don't see how Fernandes is linked to Red Bull in any way, apart from both being competitors in F1.

Red Bull Sauber was the registered name

**wicksta** · 10-09-2011, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Nodge70

Red Bull Sauber was the registered name

Again, wrong. They were registered as Sauber Petronas. Red Bull weren't the title sponsor. It might have been an idea to have checked before trying to create a pedantic straw man argument regarding title sponsors and registrations.

So as I say, Sauber is a perfect example of Red Bull not renaming a team but just sponsoring.

Anyway, Karun Chandhok just confirmed on Five Live that he, Heikki Kovalinen and Mark Webber are all attending on Mondayu.

**wicksta** · 10-09-2011, 12:30 PM

All F1 teams normally have title sponsors by the way, Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes etc. The clue is in the name 'title sponsor'.

**ant8383** · 10-09-2011, 02:14 PM

osama bin laden

**Jamie** · 10-09-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by wicksta

Again, wrong. They were registered as Sauber Petronas. Red Bull weren't the title sponsor. It might have been an idea to have checked before trying to create a pedantic straw man argument regarding title sponsors and registrations.

So as I say, Sauber is a perfect example of Red Bull not renaming a team but just sponsoring.

Anyway, Karun Chandhok just confirmed on Five Live that he, Heikki Kovalinen and Mark Webber are all attending on Mondayu.

To be pedantic, 1995 - 2001 F1 season they were Red Bull Sauber Petronas.

502 Bad Gateway

http://www.petronas.com.my/community/sports/petronas_motorsports.aspx

Chin up though mate, its ok to be wrong sometimes.

**Ric-Roc** · 10-09-2011, 04:51 PM

Rose West

**MrS** · 10-09-2011, 05:06 PM

Gareth

**Connell10** · 10-09-2011, 05:34 PM

i hate focking f1 SOOOOOOOOOOOO BORING!!!!!!!

**weston** · 10-09-2011, 05:37 PM

See my avatar for a clue to the new sponsor and new badge

**Gtleighsr3** · 10-09-2011, 05:38 PM

vine

**ant8383** · 10-09-2011, 06:13 PM

Mr stodge

**Jase** · 10-09-2011, 06:34 PM

Surprised nobody's mentioned Sir Les - loved by both sets of fans...

**Ginger Ninja** · 10-09-2011, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by MrS

Gareth

Yes I shall be in attendance...didn't know i was a special guest though...

**MrS** · 10-09-2011, 06:57 PM

Maybe Mr Stodge and Sir Les

**TBLOCKRANGER** · 10-09-2011, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by surreyranger

Colonel Gaddafi?

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