Ian Taylor again

[The Godfather]

Miller's consistently scored goals in the CL and internationally, played for two of the biggest clubs in the world, something DJC has never done, plus scored 11 goals in a relegated side from the PL. Now who does that sound like? You mock Miller for the same reasons you praise Campbell. The sword of hypocrisy dangles heavy over your head!

All about opinions.

Oh please...

[Ric-Roc]

Celtic have an estimated support of 20 million worldwide due to their Irish heritage. I'd say that's pretty big.

[Nodge70]

I know people don't like hearing this but Celtic and Rangers ARE two of the biggest clubs in world football. Given that much is based around ex pat and some nasty sectarian lines (esp in South Africa and Australia) you can argue whether that is deserved but they are MASSIVE clubs. Only Man Utd in England have a bigger worldwide fanbase (Liverpool at a stretch) and then Madrid, Barca and possibly Juve can get near them for support and commercial opportunity. They are artificially held back due to the uncompetitive nature of the SPL and lack of TV money.

[Bluehoop]

I know people don't like hearing this but Celtic and Rangers ARE two of the biggest clubs in world football. Given that much is based around ex pat and some nasty sectarian lines (esp in South Africa and Australia) you can argue whether that is deserved but they are MASSIVE clubs. Only Man Utd in England have a bigger worldwide fanbase (Liverpool at a stretch) and then Madrid, Barca and possibly Juve can get near them for support and commercial opportunity. They are artificially held back due to the uncompetitive nature of the SPL and lack of TV money.

Which is the problem. They may be big clubs but the standard of football is total pony

[Ric-Roc]

Toronto Celtic supporters club has 15,000 members.

Thought I'd throw in that random one I was told on Saturday by a Celtic fan from Canada.

[Bluehoop]

Toronto Celtic supporters club has 15,000 members.

Thought I'd throw in that random one I was told on Saturday by a Celtic fan from Canada.

Don't make Miller a better player tough does it

[The Godfather]

Celtic have an estimated support of 20 million worldwide due to their Irish heritage. I'd say that's pretty big.

I am not disputing the enormous size of Celtic and Rangers' fanbase - I am attacking Nodge's argument that because Kenny Miller played for both these clubs it makes him a better striker than DJ Campbell, who showed last season that he is capable of scoring regularly in the Premiership. Let's face it, the quality of Scottish football is poor and just because a player has achieved limited success in the SPL (Miller's done well at Rangers, but only scored 6 times in 33 appearances at Celtic) does not mean that he will be able to cope in the Premiership. Look at Kris Boyd last season - Rangers' all-time record goalscorer. His performances last season in the Championship were unremarkable to say the very least. In fact, during Miller's last spell in England with Derby County, he only netted 4 goals in 30 appearances.

I don't think anyone believes that DJ Campbell is going to challenge the likes of Rooney and Drogba, but he showed last season that he does have goalscoring ability and he would be a decent addition to the squad in my view.

[Ric-Roc]

Agree. Will say though with Kenny Miller you are pretty much guaranteed goals.

Kris Boyd the goal machine proved he was actually pretty sh!t once he came to England.

Forgetting players, leagues etc Celtic are only rivalled by a handful of clubs globally for fan base I honestly believe that.

[NW9_RANGER]

Yeah Celtic has a huge fan base but what makes a club a BIG club? Is it fan base or more than that? If Celtic were in the premiership, they would eventually (once they replaced their whole squad lol) be up there with man u etc no doubt about it. But they ain't...

[Bluehoop]

Agree. Will say though with Kenny Miller you are pretty much guaranteed goals.

Kris Boyd the goal machine proved he was actually pretty sh!t once he came to England.

Forgetting players, leagues etc Celtic are only rivalled by a handful of clubs globally for fan base I honestly believe that.

You shouldn't find too many people to argue with on this one Ric - mind you we do have a few that might try

[Factamondo]

agreed but i hate both celtic/rangers as i despise every thing north of the border.........shouldve built adians wall eight foot high!!

[The Godfather]

Yeah Celtic has a huge fan base but what makes a club a BIG club? Is it fan base or more than that? If Celtic were in the premiership, they would eventually (once they replaced their whole squad lol) be up there with man u etc no doubt about it. But they ain't...

Yes, it really depends on what one believes constitutes a 'big' club. Should it be based on fanbase, success or purchasing power?

This year, Forbes magazine produced their annual list of the most 'valuable' football clubs - Celtic and Rangers are not even in the top twenty, beaten by the likes of Dortmund, Marseille and Athletico Madrid.

[Ric-Roc]

If Celtic especially but Rangers also were in the EPL they would need 3-4 years then would be up there. 60,000 a week & 1000's travelling to every away game they would do damage imo. But will never happen.

Sh!te league, sh!te standard, handful of good players but as a club MASSIVE.

[Factamondo]

Yes, it really depends on what one believes constitutes a 'big' club. Should it be based on fanbase, success or purchasing power?

Last year, Forbes magazine produced their annual list of the most 'valuable' football clubs - Celtic and Rangers are not even in the top twenty, beaten by the likes of Dortmund, Marseille and Athletico Madrid.

truth is scottish club football is a joke so no one in europe takes them seriouisly!

[Nodge70]

So how come Miller's goals for a relegated PL side plus CL and international goals make him worse than someone with an almost identical PL record but zero CL or international experience?