No SPIN - it's just this simple...

[hermitage10]

a win 2moro will see the negativity go away, it's a very good thing we have our next game so soon

[dave58]

And why wouldn;t it be doom & gloom we have just failed to beat a team who everyone else has battered ,couldn't beat forest with ten men not only that but camp never made a save in the whole 2nd half

[paulmason]

a win 2moro will see the negativity go away, it's a very good thing we have our next game so soon

I was going to post "Hhhmmm similar posts aplenty after the Norwich game, where we only got a point two days later at home v Bristol City", but that would not be positive, so instead I will say

Good point I agree come on uuurrrsssssssss

[paulmason]

And why wouldn;t it be doom & gloom we have just failed to beat a team who everyone else has battered ,couldn't beat forest with ten men not only that but camp never made a save in the whole 2nd half

Good god man, dont you know the truth is not allowed, say something positive otherwise the General and his army of pixi dust throwers will get upset and feel the need to explain why Camp did not need to make a save in the 2nd half.

[QPR1234]

im on for a bet that we'll come top so my dignity is on the line.. but i can swallow it if it means we get promoted..

[Old Man Ranger]

You are right Camp did not have a save to make - and its a good job too because he was no where near the header that was going in except for the superb goal line clearance by the defender

[BennyBoyRs]

Yeah, well my f@nny still hurts.

[dave58]

OMR header off the line was only chance we had in the 2nd half, Paddy had as many saves to make as camp in the 1st half clearing one off the line with his feet Bad indictment only one shot(header) at goal in whole of 2nd half against 10 men we were unable to break down just didnt do enough to win the game.should've gome 2 up top as soon as the 2nd half started

[singingranger]

Preston got a point at watford, they beat Leeds and drew at Cardiff!

The worst qpr side I ever saw was in 2000/2001 - went down big time yet we took points of Bolton, west broom and blackburn 3 of the top 4

Scunrhorpe done forest!

**** happens

Our last promotion was 2004 yet we were battered by struggling port vale and chesterfield

[sirpiechucker]

Preston got a point at watford, they beat Leeds and drew at Cardiff!

The worst qpr side I ever saw was in 2000/2001 - went down big time yet we took points of Bolton, west broom and blackburn 3 of the top 4

Scunrhorpe done forest!

**** happens

Our last promotion was 2004 yet we were battered by struggling port vale and chesterfield

Well said!

United lost to Wolves this season but they'll probably win the premiership whilst the other gets relegated. Arsenal lost to WBA but beat Barcelona it happens. If football was predictable then there would be no bookies and we'd not watch it and certainly not debate about it.

[stainrodisalegend]

Sir Pie if we could win three points for stats we would be racing away with this league thanks to you. I do like your positivity and of course four points out of six would be tip top, but alas we have only managed two points out of six which is not promotion form. Agree those results will look fine if we beat Ipswich but each slight setback puts extra pressure on the next match so equally if we don't win on Tuesday then the concerns of many on here will look increasingly justified. Don't think either the positive or negative brigades should throw insults around (I know you are always polite to everyone on here so not aimed at you) as the rows just highlight our collective lack of confidence.

[sirpiechucker]

Sir Pie if we could win three points for stats we would be racing away with this league thanks to you. I do like your positivity and of course four points out of six would be tip top, but alas we have only managed two points out of six which is not promotion form. Agree those results will look fine if we beat Ipswich but each slight setback puts extra pressure on the next match so equally if we don't win on Tuesday then the concerns of many on here will look increasingly justified. Don't think either the positive or negative brigades should throw insults around (I know you are always polite to everyone on here so not aimed at you) as the rows just highlight our collective lack of confidence.

Forest have won 4 points from their last 3 games, Cardiff have won 4 points from their last 3 games and we've won 5 points from our last three matches.

No spin, no overly positive message just the facts.

[The White City General]

Forest have won 4 points from their last 3 games, Cardiff have won 4 points from their last 3 games and we've won 5 points from our last three matches.

No spin, no overly positive message just the facts.

Keep them coming please.

[stainrodisalegend]

Forest have won 4 points from their last 3 games, Cardiff have won 4 points from their last 3 games and we've won 5 points from our last three matches.

No spin, no overly positive message just the facts.

Not spin necessarily but somewhat selective "facts", I humbly suggest. You don't mention Swansea or Norwich for instance - maybe they've done even worse but you would certainly need to look at all our rivals to make a meaningful, un-spun comparison. Also Forest were on an unbelieveable roll just prior to the three games you choose to highlight. The truth is none of us has a clue how its panning out - some want to slit their writsts because they think we are all doomed, others just put negative information to one side and convince themselves its all hunky dory.

My own view, boringly, is somewhere in the middle - I think we are still more likely than any other single team to gain promotion but that it is proving massively more nail-biting than it should ever have been give our huge strength in other areas - and that this is due to our club's inexplicable failure to build the final 10% of its otherwise excellent jigsaw. But you know all this...

[sirpiechucker]

Not spin necessarily but somewhat selective "facts", I humbly suggest. You don't mention Swansea or Norwich for instance - maybe they've done even worse but you would certainly need to look at all our rivals to make a meaningful, un-spun comparison. Also Forest were on an unbelieveable roll just prior to the three games you choose to highlight. The truth is none of us has a clue how its panning out - some want to slit their writsts because they think we are all doomed, others just put negative information to one side and convince themselves its all hunky dory.

My own view, boringly, is somewhere in the middle - I think we are still more likely than any other single team to gain promotion but that it is proving massively more nail-biting than it should ever have been give our huge strength in other areas - and that this is due to our club's inexplicable failure to build the final 10% of its otherwise excellent jigsaw. But you know all this...

Fair cop guv! It was rather selective indeed but does highlight the point about how selective any stat can be big. I can produce stat after stat about one thing or another but the stat which isn't selective or guilty of hiding anything is the league table. It might not be able to forecast the future but does tell us all we need to know about the season to date. What it shows is that we have it in our own hands to win promotion. Unlike the Leicester's and Burnley's of this division who rely on teams above them slipping up.