All positive talk should be banned

[stainrodisalegend]

No one dissagrees that we need one or two quality strikers. The bit that winds me up is the depth of your negativity. Ban positive talk? Get a grip, lock yourself away and try to have a polite word with yourself. Don't try to drag people down when they're trying to stay positive. Who else has signed much 'quality' in the league so far since the season finished? Can you say for sure that we're not in the process? No, you can't, just as I can't say that we are. You're moaning for the sake of it right now. As I said...no one has signed any real 'quality' in this league. Burnley are getting Iwelumo who most of you don't want near our club, so be thankful for that.

The season hasn't long finished, yet you expect results immidiately.

Agree there is no point in being negative yet. Where I disagree with you Benny is saying we need "one or two" decent strikers. Imagine we have one decent striker. And he gets injured, or banned, as he almost certainly will at some point. Or he is big and tough and the match required we have someone small and nimble. Or he isn't doing it on a particular day and he needs to be subbed. Or we want to play two up top. We had one decent striker last year - Simpson - and it was plain as day it was nowhere near enough. I think two decent strikers - and I'm not including Mackie and Clarke in that yet based on their goalscoring records, though wait to be proved wrong - are the absolute minimum, you could easily make a case for three or four.

I admire your optimism and you often talk a lot of sense but it frustrates me that even intelligent posters on here don't always seem to fully grasp this obvious point that has been staring most of us in the face for ages.

[BennyBoyRs]

I would totally agree with you if we had not signed anyone but we have already signed 2 forwards, can you really see any one else coming? I'm not sure.

Kingy...NW notoriously likes to rack and stack his strikers. He'll always have a good 4 options up top. Clarke will be a backup/target man. Mackie is far, far better than many will give him credit for, and I for one am pleased with him. I do expect a goal scorer to turn up at LR. On top of that, we have Ambrose (I'm not his biggest fan, but NW got him scoring last season), possibly Clyne and Seroni, plus we're in the runnign for Taarabt. Hill is a solid CB who if nothing else will provide very good cover in that area.

We still have some good players of our own as well, so it does look like NW is building a squad. Not just a team of 11 players, but backup in those areas. Rowlands will be back and can play anywhere accross the middle. Connolly can play anywhere accross the back. Derry (No...not great) is a battler who can bolster up the middle of the park if he signs.

Just give it time.

[singingranger]

Balanta vine and mackie are not out and out strikers they happily play more wide too again if you don't think some of those will be outed you are crazy

[BennyBoyRs]

Agree there is no point in being negative yet. Where I disagree with you Benny is saying we need "one or two" decent strikers. Imagine we have one decent striker. And he gets injured, or banned, as he almost certainly will at some point. Or he is big and tough and the match required we have someone small and nimble. Or he isn't doing it on a particular day and he needs to be subbed. Or we want to play two up top. We had one decent striker last year - Simpson - and it was plain as day it was nowhere near enough. I think two decent strikers - and I'm not including Mackie and Clarke in that yet based on their goalscoring records, though wait to be proved wrong - are the absolute minimum, you could easily make a case for three or four.

I admire your optimism and you often talk a lot of sense but it frustrates me that even intelligent posters on here don't always seem to fully grasp this obvious point that has been staring most of us in the face for ages.

Again, you miss my point. Where have I missed yours? I know we need some quality up top. How many clubs boast more than two quality/good strikers? West Brom did, and also Forest. Most quality strikers want regular starts and full games so you won't get many clube with 4 strikers willing to battle it out. Every club needs a striker or two who know they aren't as good as the main man, so they are more inclined to accept a place on the bench. Can you see the likes of Hooper or beattie wanting to do that?

[stainrodisalegend]

Again, you miss my point. Where have I missed yours? I know we need some quality up top. How many clubs boast more than two quality/good strikers? West Brom did, and also Forest. Most quality strikers want regular starts and full games so you won't get many clube with 4 strikers willing to battle it out. Every club needs a striker or two who know they aren't as good as the main man, so they are more inclined to accept a place on the bench. Can you see the likes of Hooper or beattie wanting to do that?

Think you answered your own question there, Benny. Forest and West Brom both finished top six, we with one good striker were almost relegated. No one says it is easy keeping players like Earnshaw, Blackstock and Tyson happy when they spend some of the season on the bench but it is, to use the cliche, all about squads now. Agree you couldn't keep Hooper and Beatie on the bench for long, but you might be able to keep Bogdanovic and Morrison (both released on free transfers) on the bench with a view to making maybe 15 starts. Happy to take a gamble on Mackie as one of the four but to me that means we need three other proven goalscorers on top.
To me its not about being negative or positive its just a cold, hard look at the facts.

[sirpiechucker]

The money we generate as supporters isn't enough to keep the club in the top half of this division with a London cost base.

We have no divine right to win anything or be challenging
flavio thought he knew what he was doing but his arrogance could have cost us dear but because of amit and co we live to fight another day and I'm loving it
amit has been in control since end of feb and immediately went out and got the first proven manager in a long time. Warnock has been at the helm since march we are not in June and some idiots are crying like girls, we have finally got it together off the pitch. Good foundations, good manager. Some of the stuff on here is disgracefull. What right do you have to criticise warnock and amit after less than 4 months working together.

I'd rather see what happens and have faith with proven successfull managers and businessmen

[stainrodisalegend]

Who are these people? I don't see a likely Sir Pie Chucker lurking there?

[sirpiechucker]

Who are these people? I don't see a likely Sir Pie Chucker lurking there?

He he!

Having read the whole of this thread and seen the different view points I should point out that the argument isn't worth happening until the 1st week in August.

There are people who will be negative and those who are positive and they won't agree until the other can prove otherwise.

I believe that come the opening day of the season we WILL have the squad to compete at the top of this division.

[stainrodisalegend]

Always respect your opinion Sir Pie but as you more or less admit your optimism is as blind as others negativity. So far there is no indication that we will have the strikers. And indeed Pete posts elsewhere that Warnock himself says he only needs one more striker, which I find alarming to say the least.

[sirpiechucker]

Always respect your opinion Sir Pie but as you more or less admit your optimism is as blind as others negativity. So far there is no indication that we will have the strikers. And indeed Pete posts elsewhere that Warnock himself says he only needs one more striker, which I find alarming to say the least.

I sat at Wembley 12 months ago and watched Burnley win promotion, I sat last week and saw Blackpool win promotion. What did both teams have which we didn't?

TEAM SPIRIT.

We have the manager now to give us that.

[stainrodisalegend]

Hope you are right but think that puts huge pressure on Warnock. By the same token there were, presumably, several other clubs that also had great team spirit and didn't go up. As you know I'm not one of these spoilt fans who expects the earth on 13,000 gates but bogdanovic and morrison were available on frees. why make it more difficult for yourself than it need be?

[BennyBoyRs]

Think you answered your own question there, Benny. Forest and West Brom both finished top six, we with one good striker were almost relegated. No one says it is easy keeping players like Earnshaw, Blackstock and Tyson happy when they spend some of the season on the bench but it is, to use the cliche, all about squads now. Agree you couldn't keep Hooper and Beatie on the bench for long, but you might be able to keep Bogdanovic and Morrison (both released on free transfers) on the bench with a view to making maybe 15 starts. Happy to take a gamble on Mackie as one of the four but to me that means we need three other proven goalscorers on top.
To me its not about being negative or positive its just a cold, hard look at the facts.

And the answer is two, which proves my point. Besides, I wouldn't class Tyson as quality, and most from here were happy when Blackstock went. Personally, I still think it was a stupid sale. In all honesty, Brom were the only team to have quality strikers in abundance. There is another of those cold, hard facts. I'm not spotting for a row mate. You're a sensible poster. I'm just argueing the point. With a good midfield and decent backup strikers, you can get away with 1, let alone 2 quality strikers.

Anyway, we're going well away from my main point. We're moaning without real cause. Sure, we've heard it all before, but it IS still early. No one has signed anyone of real notability, so it's not like we've missed out on anyone yet.

Have a bit of faith in Warnock. We wanted a manager who'd make devossions, and now we have one, we want to pick holes in his methods.

[stainrodisalegend]

Fair enough Benny, I'm not looking for an argument either. And agree its way too early to be slitting wrists, though I confess I came pretty close when Clarke signed. But on another thread Pete reports Warnock only wants one other striker. Pete mentions Simpson, who I like and wd welcome back. But I'm not sure that this takes us hugely further forward from last season when we narrowly avoided relegation. I'm not jumping the gun, I'm simply quoting what the manager says. Take the point we might score a lot from midfield (tho we did pretty well on that front last season with Buz and Tabs and it was still not nearly enough).

[Goddard]

I'd just like to say well done to Denmark for doing the World Cup/Eurovision Song Contest Double.
F***ing hell, never saw that coming.

Our squad is very thin, I must admit. I just wish we could go back to the end of may, and start again.
I'm sorry I said people were being ridiculously impatient and hysterical back then.
I take it all back!





Wibble.

[vblockranger]

this is rangers we are talking about...wont get the strikers needed and neither will we get the required commitment from the billionaires to seal auto promotion. IMO we are Amits test to prove himself to his father in law before he is allowed to be set loose on Lakshmi's other businesses.
Think will we see how much commitment they have with the amount they spend over the coming weeks..hope im wrong and they spend a few million on a true statement of intent. Not being negative just realistic...guess we will just see what happens before season starts.
Rather have owners half as rich but with twice the commitment.