On my way home

[eam1882]

I don’t blame Ainsworth. He was never qualified to start with, but it is not his fault he was hired.

We all know that at best we will get a point or two from the next four matches if we keep Ainsworth and that won’t be enough to stay up. It is more likely we won’t get s single point.

Even though it is probably too late to save us, I will still give it a go and sign a manager that would increase our chances to stat up, as relegation is a disaster with possible FFP breach and point deduction to follow.

Agree with your comments but don't understand the ffp and points deduction bit.
can you elaborate.

[Springboks2002]

I Also agree although very very harsh on GA we need to stay up

curtains must be opened to Nathan Jones and then he can do his best impressions of the wizard of OZ


and this season isnt being blamed on GA its being blamed on Les and his way he acted toward MW and replaced him with an arrogant so and so (who i still think had we still had him in charge we wouldnt be that much better off i dont think we would have been looking at relegation but we would have only had 5 or 6 points more....its the squad that beale created at start of season that Les agreed to signing thats the ultmate problem"

not critchleys fault
not ainsworths
partly beale
but fully les fault

end of discussion

[Macca]

I Also agree although very very harsh on GA we need to stay up

curtains must be opened to Nathan Jones and then he can do his best impressions of the wizard of OZ


and this season isnt being blamed on GA its being blamed on Les and his way he acted toward MW and replaced him with an arrogant so and so (who i still think had we still had him in charge we wouldnt be that much better off i dont think we would have been looking at relegation but we would have only had 5 or 6 points more....its the squad that beale created at start of season that Les agreed to signing thats the ultmate problem"

not critchleys fault
not ainsworths
partly beale
but fully les fault

end of discussion

I agree LF should have been gone a few seasons ago the owners haven't the balls to get rid of him, plus they don't have a clue how to run a football club, but give them fair due in putting money into the club to keep us afloat, but it is time so sell up to someonethat has a vision on what to do and get the club moving forward.

[Undecided]

All well and good, but who in their right mind would actually BUY QPR?

It would take someone with money to buy the club, money to run it, know what to do, and have to money to develop it, all within the constraints of FFP. There can't be many around who would fit the bill.

[Springboks2002]

This FFP is for the rich to get richer and the poor to become non league

not fair at all

[Jeffqpr]

Doesn’t seem a good decision to get of Warburton then does it

[djp]

Doesn’t seem a good decision to get of Warburton then does it

Yep, worst decision this club had made for years along with letting his favourite Barbet (never injured and gave his all) go and replacing him with JCS (always injured and doesn’t give a ####)

[shaggy24]

All well and good, but who in their right mind would actually BUY QPR?

It would take someone with money to buy the club, money to run it, know what to do, and have to money to develop it, all within the constraints of FFP. There can't be many around who would fit the bill.

Their is the main problem who would buy QPR if it was ever up for sale. If the land is useless and cant be developed as others have said on other threads it becomes a huge debt. The only way i can see forwards is for a sale as i have no belief the owners have the passion to or ability to rectify its calamity tenure of the club. Any perspective owner even the current owners have to rebuild a squad stadium and build/rebuild a fan base in decline

over the years there would of been at least 20 family ST holders amongst us now none currently own a ST generally us who are left meet at away or some home games. The Rs have fallen to a depth that it should never of got to with some foresight and better structure at boardroom level and that has driven the on field debacle to follow.

[ConorQPR2000]

I am utterly speechless to be honest.

If this was a film you were watching, then it will be like watching your favourite character die a slow painful death in it.


The appointment of GA seemed like a PR appointment to appease the fans, and it has flopped big time.

[ConorQPR2000]

Yep, worst decision this club had made for years along with letting his favourite Barbet (never injured and gave his all) go and replacing him with JCS (always injured and doesn’t give a ####)

Warbs should come in as DOF imo, would know the market better than Les Ferdinand.

whether he comes back though is another story.

[Springboks2002]

warbs should never have left

he wont ever come back though because ive been told the realtionship between he and les was strained to say the least.

Les needs to go

they sacked the wrong man at end of lastseason

Warbs as DOF and Beale as his first manager would have worked.

if only the board could talk Warbs into coming back after they sack Les

he was happy to remain in post even with Les as DOF

its clear to see Beale wasnt happy under same situation and Critchley struggled too

Ainsworth is just a yes man its not his problem this mess but he still needs removing from the jigsaw for possible survival

[Harrow QPR]

Doesn’t seem a good decision to get of Warburton then does it

Warburton was'nt exactly tearing the league up last season from January onwards.
We need to get a manager that knows how to organise a team and make us solid defensively and then build from there
Any manager that comes here will have trouble because the club has no money to spend and there lies the problem . We are signing cheap injury plagued players or out of contract players that nobody else wants. Ferdinand and our scouting network are #### and needs to be got rid of .
Ainsworth was never a good decision , just another chest beater like Holloway . Football has moved on from those type of managers and the good managers nowadays know how to set teams up and play different styles .
I am afraid our owners seem to have given up on us and just left Hoos and Les to run the club and quite frankly it's been a disaster . Just getting worse each year and i'm sure this will continue while Hoos and Ferdinand are at the club.

[ConorQPR2000]

Warburton was'nt exactly tearing the league up last season from January onwards.
We need to get a manager that knows how to organise a team and make us solid defensively and then build from there
Any manager that comes here will have trouble because the club has no money to spend and there lies the problem . We are signing cheap injury plagued players or out of contract players that nobody else wants. Ferdinand and our scouting network are #### and needs to be got rid of .
Ainsworth was never a good decision , just another chest beater like Holloway . Football has moved on from those type of managers and the good managers nowadays know how to set teams up and play different styles .
I am afraid our owners seem to have given up on us and just left Hoos and Les to run the club and quite frankly it's been a disaster . Just getting worse each year and i'm sure this will continue while Hoos and Ferdinand are at the club.

Club is at a crossroads imo.

Do we accept this as a League 1 club and give up, or do we start actively making a stand against the decisions they make?

Amit doesnt really care, he only cares when we win, apart from that he is silent as anything, and he doesnt even turn up to fan forums or anything.

We need to see change, and that starts with Les Ferdinand and Lee Hoos both leaving this summer, and get people in who have proven track records, not based on inexperence.

[Qpstranger]

The match yesterday was horrible. Admittedly, I am a fan who only visits LR 3 or 4 times a season as well as the odd away game, other games I follow online if I'm not working. I went yesterday, but that was a pretty depressing experience all round. Coventry looked organised, hungry, committed and it was no surprise when they scored. We looked disinterested, ineffective, generally lacking all round, but most notably in midfield, I never had any real belief that we were going to score. I just don't see us staying up, and I think we probably deserve to go down. I hope by some miracle, or slice of luck I'm wrong and we get enough points, but I haven't left LR for many years feeling as flat about QPR as I did yesterday. I hope for some reaction on Wednesday, but this does feel like a team painfully sliding their way into League one.

[QPROslo]

Agree with your comments but don't understand the ffp and points deduction bit.
can you elaborate.

I have written about this in another thread but I am happy to elaborate again:

As you might know, FFP rules set a threshold on losses of £39m for any three season period. 2020/21 was our financial super season, when we sold Eze. In that season our FFP loss was around zero (break even). Hence, we could lose £39m from a FFP point of view in the following two seasons and still be inside the three year limit of £39m.

However, 2021/22 was a disaster. We lost ca £20m based on my best estimate of the "FFP loss". We gambled on promotion by signing expensive players without resell value, such as Austin, Johansen and Gray. This meant that we can only lose £19m over the next two years, or £9.5m on average per season for this season and next. For the three year period that ends 2023/24 the Eze-year will be left out of the calculation and that completely changes the picture.

We have cut costs this season. First of all we did not renew the contracts of expensive players such as Austin, Gray, Hendrick, Wallace and Barbet. But we signed a few very expensive players. I think Roberts is equally expensive as Austin and Gray. Premier League loans such as Laird, Iroegbunam and Richards aren't cheap. Neither are Balogun, Clarke-Salters and Paal. Even though transfer fees were absent, we have paid agents a lot in order to sign seven players and three managers. Add to that the fact we had to pay up a 3.5 years contract for Critchley.

I think we have cut costs this season and thereby cut looses. As far as I understand, TV revenue has gone up a little and we were paid a decent fee by Glasgow Rangers when Beale left. But I cannot see that we have reduced the FFP losses more than 30%, from £20m to 14m. Hence, the head room for next season is just £5m if my assumptions are correct.

To cut costs by another £9m (£14m minus £5m) is almost impossible. As I see it, we can only reduce the loss a lot by selling players. However, the way this season has panned out leaves us with very few players of any sigificant sell-on value. Willock, Dieng and Dykes have just one year left on their contracts and I think they are worth 1-2m each at most. Chair and Field are our best hopes, but I am afraid they are not PL material. We might risk no bids will be forthcoming. I am therefore afraid we cannot raise enough money from asset sales and will struggle big time to comply with the FFP threshold.

If we get relegated, we will lose almost all TV money. That is a £7-8m weakening compared to this season. If that comes on top, I cannot see we have any chance of avoiding breach of the FFP rules. I know that players contracts might include release clauses, but as it looks to me this will be a mountain to climb.

If we break the rules, this will not be visible before the 23/24 accounts are publish in spring of 2025. Hence, any point deduction will only happen two years from now. But since we have broken rules before, I fear the penalty will be significant, and possibly as much as 10 points. Whether we are in Championship or L1 at that point, it might have severe consequences.

Hence, relegation has knock on effects that are potentially severe. Of that reason we have to do whatever it takes now to avoid it.