A question for #OllieOut brigade

[hal9thou]

It is very, very simple. You can't expect anything from a player like Smith if he doesn't get service.

There is only one way crosses can be supplied on a regular basis from danger areas: wingers. True Wing backs are a luxury you can not afford if they don't have the qualities required, and they are rare, even at the highest level. Wing backs can also expose you defensively for the same reason. You need real quality at the back to afford wbs otherwise you will be exposed, another thing we've seen at higher levels.

If we play full backs we can stick someone to play off Smith and sniff out the crumbs, and a back four is an easier coaching set up for our so called 'defence coach' to manage.

I don't trust Ollie not to keep fvcking about with personnel and systems and that will cost us.

[dogsrrs]

The point is our last 3 managers have played 3 _5 or flirted with the system while we haven't recruited that type of player

Sylla deserves a run smith is adequate for the last half hour which to be fair Ollie seems to be seeing that

[dogsrrs]

The point is our last 3 managers have played 3 _5 or flirted with the system while we haven't recruited that type of player

[stanistheman]

Buddy I'm just sick of posters bulling these players up , more are a shower of shlt than arnt outside of smithies baptiste scowens luongo and Freeman we are heavily loaded with dross , imo the formations are far more worrying , most posters agree that many of the player Arnt capable of playing that way well that tells us all we need to know about the depth in quality there is at the club

Whilst I am not saying the players are of a good standard we won't really know until they are played in a team and formation that suits their ability. I agree with you fully that they should play in a 4-4-2. Until they are and for more than just 1 or 2 games we will not really know how capable they are.

I think Sylla is a better player than perhaps you or others think, as is Smith, but they seem to do better when crosses are put into the box but we are not seeing these often enough.
IH is too set in his ways to change his mind or take advice from others about team selection, formation and tactics as he knows best and maybe thinks of himself as a clever tactician who can outsmart his opponents, yet his record suggests that he is not.

His recent record at Millwall and QPR make very uncomfortable reading. By the time he resigned or got sacked at Millwall it was too late as they were in deep relegation trouble with just 10 games to get out of the hole he had dug them into. I just hope that LF and TF act a lot sooner than that if he doesn't start winning games soon. 2 wins 6 draws and 6 defeats from the last 14 games (many against sides in the bottom 8 - Burton, Bolton, Sunderland, Barnsley, Millwall) is relegation form.

[dogsrrs]

No Tarbs miss post meant to reply to stans post which you answered (with bells on )

[Kit]

No need to get excited mate. I'm agreeing with you. We should be playing 4 at the back!

I think we can all see we should be playing a flat back 4 with 1 or 2 wingers, not the current wingback format. Back to basics for me until results improve and then he can tinker.

[Tarbie]

For christ sake we don't play players as full backs we play them at wingbacks and they are not very good there , all I am posting is a flat back four is easier for players that arnt capable of taking on a specialist role

No need to get excited mate. I'm agreeing with you. We should be playing 4 at the back!

[dogsrrs]

This, with bells on.

Not a fan of Pawel playing full back or wing back for that matter. He's one of the best players in this league if played as a winger, so it's daft to start him elsewhere on the pitch. But as you mention Stan, plenty of good options at right back. Bidwell starts every game, and is rarely injured so should be a safe bet at left back with any one of Robison, Baptiste or Lynch as backup if required.

There is no excuse to be persevering with this 3-5-2 system. It was clear very early this season that it wasn't going to work with this group of players.

For christ sake we don't play players as full backs we play them at wingbacks and they are not very good there , all I am posting is a flat back four is easier for players that arnt capable of taking on a specialist role

[Stanley]

the players are lower championship level at best

Disagree mate, for all the reasons repeated earlier. Going round in circles now old bean :-)

[Tarbie]

Well for example, witness Furlong last season away to Reading - he excelled at RB with Pavel in front of him at RW. The system worked a treat and we won an away game to boot, but the manager never persisted with it. So Furlong could prove to be a good RB given half a chance. Kakay's main position is RB too. Pawel played there last week away to Preston and did a great job. Even Mackie previously did well at RB and is arguably less of a liability there. Baptise and Scowen can also play there, so we do have decent options there until Perch is back.

This, with bells on.

Not a fan of Pawel playing full back, or wing back for that matter. He's one of the best players in this league if played as a winger, so it's daft to start him elsewhere on the pitch. But as you mention Stan, plenty of good options at right back. Bidwell starts every game, and is rarely injured so should be a safe bet at left back with any one of Robison, Baptiste or Lynch as backup if required.

There is no excuse to be persevering with this 3-5-2 system. It was clear very early this season that it wasn't going to work with this group of players.

[dogsrrs]

Stan young furlong had a good game at reading every dog has his day ! He hasn't been very good since , I can't comment on Kakay but the rest you've mentioned can play full back but not good enough at wing back , thats my gripe we don't play a flat back 4 , what I'm saying is the players are lower championship level at best that can do a job at F/B but playing 3_5 ,,is above them

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Gary Neville talks a lot of sense but was a pony manager....

To be fair to him taking your first job at a massive club in Spain's top division is probably not the wisest move, although I fully appreciate why he took the opportunity. He was on a hiding to nothing.

Language barrier, first job, not respected by the players as a manager at that point as he'd never done it, spotlight on him for obvious reasons.

Wouldn't be my first choice but I would not rule him out in the future as a decent manager if he starts in League 1 and builds a reputation & gains sufficient experience.

[Stanley]

people say we've got a right wing back in young furlong true but he's crap and no better than what Wzos is at it , Perch probably found his best form for us before he got injured , but who else is to play there

Well for example, witness Furlong last season away to Reading - he excelled at RB with Pavel in front of him at RW. The system worked a treat and we won an away game to boot, but the manager never persisted with it. So Furlong could prove to be a good RB given half a chance. Kakay's main position is RB too. Pawel played there last week away to Preston and did a great job. Even Mackie previously did well at RB and is arguably less of a liability there. Baptise and Scowen can also play there, so we do have decent options there until Perch is back.

[dogsrrs]

He had most of those players last season too. 1 whole year and if he is still trying to fathom what they are capable of, then that would just about sum him up as a capable coach/manager, as most worth their salt would have worked this out within 3 months tops.

Buddy I'm just sick of posters bulling these players up , more are a shower of shlt than arnt outside of smithies baptiste scowens luongo and Freeman we are heavily loaded with dross , imo the formations are far more worrying , most posters agree that many of the player Arnt capable of playing that way well that tells us all we need to know about the depth in quality there is at the club

[stanistheman]

We know dogs, but he keeps playing them either in different positions or not at all.



We're half way through the season, he should know that by now.



Glad we can agree on that at least.

He had most of those players last season too. 1 whole year and if he is still trying to fathom what they are capable of, then that would just about sum him up as a capable coach/manager, as most worth their salt would have worked this out within 3 months tops.