No Chery, no Luongo. Three points.

[nasser95]

But we look shaky defensively too when he plays. Whys that?

The team looks shaky defensively but we lost 6 - 0 at home when Luongo didn't play. In fact, 2 of our 3 worst defensive performances this season were without Luongo in the team.

With Luongo, we concede 1.27 goals a game on average. Without him, 2.4 goals a game conceded.

[nasser95]

I think the point weare is trying to make is that if you looked at alli's stats, he would be given an average mark but he's the match winnner along with Kane. Stats can help but in my view are misleading.

Statistically, his rating according to whoscored.com was 8.4. 2 Goals, hit the post once and took 4 shots in total. He's got a high score because he is playing an attacking role.

Luongo's best game for us was an 8.8 rating against Fulham, No Goals, no assists, 6 Dribbles, 6 Aerial Duels won, 6 Tackles Made, 1 interception.

They got similar scores because they influenced the game the way their positions require them to.

[James1979]

You are talking about two different players. Two players who have different styles and are expected to do different things. You can't seriously be comparing Luongo and Alli as players? Dele Alli made 1 tackle, didn't win anything in the air and didn't intercept anything. Meanwhile, Luongo averages 3.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game and 2.7 aerial duel wins per game. He gives us a chance to win by doing his job.

Dele Allie is an attacking midfielder who just needs to have the final touch in a move to do something, but doesn't get involved in the defensive side of the game.

Luongo is being used as a defensive midfielder who needs to win the ball back and either run with the ball or play it to one of the front 4 to do the job.

Once again, I use the makelele comparison, Makelele almost never played a forward ball, never looked to get into the box, never looked to do that stuff, but he won his teams matches by screening the defense. How foolish would you look using the comparison above with Alli to Makelele?

I think the point weare is trying to make is that if you looked at alli's stats, he would be given an average mark but he's the match winnner along with Kane. Stats can help but in my view are misleading.

[upperloft]

Makelele, Alli and Scholes in the same sentence as Luongo. Let's be honest now.. he plays like none of them. A Million miles away.

[James1979]

Again, he's being played as a deep midfielder, the primary role belongs to those in front of him. Chery, the wingers and the strikers are the ones who the burden of goalscoring and assisting should fall on, but because they aren't doing that, people will scapegoat everyone else and unfortunately, Mass is a target for scapegoating.

But we look shaky defensively too when he plays. Whys that?

[nasser95]

What like Paul Scholes? Who I remember scoring and assisting a lot!

Paul Scholes was famously good at winning the ball back wasn't he? Never mistimed tackles, did he?

[nasser95]

Ok then why is Chery not doing the business if he's playing that role

Chery hasn't been playing well, I said that already. As much as I like him, he's been out of form since the Fulham game and needs to just stick to being in the hole instead of running around the whole pitch.

[Shepherds Mush]

Again, he's being played as a deep midfielder.

What like Paul Scholes? Who I remember scoring and assisting a lot!

[nasser95]

Your stats mean sod all. Ali had the worst pass % and the least amount of touches on the ball yet just scored 2 goals v Watford and helped win the game

You are talking about two different players. Two players who have different styles and are expected to do different things. You can't seriously be comparing Luongo and Alli as players? Dele Alli made 1 tackle, didn't win anything in the air and didn't intercept anything. Meanwhile, Luongo averages 3.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game and 2.7 aerial duel wins per game. He gives us a chance to win by doing his job.

Dele Allie is an attacking midfielder who just needs to have the final touch in a move to do something, but doesn't get involved in the defensive side of the game.

Luongo is being used as a defensive midfielder who needs to win the ball back and either run with the ball or play it to one of the front 4 to do the job.

Once again, I use the makelele comparison, Makelele almost never played a forward ball, never looked to get into the box, never looked to do that stuff, but he won his teams matches by screening the defense. How foolish would you look using the comparison above with Alli to Makelele?

[West Acton]

Ok then why is Chery not doing the business if he's playing that role

[nasser95]

Rubbish. Well he could at least set up some goals then

Again, he's being played as a deep midfielder, the primary role belongs to those in front of him. Chery, the wingers and the strikers are the ones who the burden of goalscoring and assisting should fall on, but because they aren't doing that, people will scapegoat everyone else and unfortunately, Mass is a target for scapegoating.

[WeAreQPR12]

It's a striker's job to score goals. Some of the best midfielders in the game barely scored.

Your stats mean sod all. Ali had the worst pass % and the least amount of touches on the ball yet just scored 2 goals v Watford and helped win the game

[James1979]

It's a striker's job to score goals. Some of the best midfielders in the game barely scored.

Rubbish. Well he could at least set up some goals then

[nasser95]

Whatever he is he's been pure and utter pants for us up to now. Caulker has scored more goals than him. Me, sitting in the Ellerslie, have scored the same as him.

It's a striker's job to score goals. Some of the best midfielders in the game barely scored.

[Hertford Hoop]

Change a winning team? Not for me