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  • nasser95
    Gold Seat
    • Dec 2012
    • 7216

    #31
    Originally posted by dogsrrs
    Don't you get it no one's complaining about the players it's about their negative instructions , and being sent out to play a game they don't understand
    Oh right so this is legitimately ridiculous. Let's not blame the players at all, let's totally blame the manager 100%
    "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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    • 1973 ranger
      Gold Seat
      • Aug 2012
      • 5990

      #32
      Nas, I have been going since the late 70's and watched some crap but at least all of them teams with their limitations had a go. This outfit is something I do not recognise and enjoy at all.

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      • dogsrrs
        Gold Seat
        • Mar 2013
        • 6671

        #33
        Ah so now it's let's not blame the players at all , and totally blame the manager
        I don't know whether your easily pleased or habitually addicted to look to argue there's the managers assistant there's the manager there's the D o F there's a board of directors they all should be aware of what they are selling and not turn a blind eye to thinking if your true fans you'll accept the lack of entertainment And give us your and your money
        Last edited by dogsrrs; 17-09-2016, 08:26 PM.

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        • nasser95
          Gold Seat
          • Dec 2012
          • 7216

          #34
          Originally posted by dogsrrs
          Ah so now it's let's not blame the players at all , and blame the manager 100%
          I don't know whether your easily pleased or habitually addicted to look to argue there's the managers assistant there's the manager there's the D o F there's a board of directors they all should be aware of what they are selling and not turn a blind to thinking if your true fans you'll accept the lack of entertainment And give us your and your money
          wtf is this first sentence... You're blaming the management totally... we know these players are better than they're performing, therefore I put a good proportion of the blame on the players as well.
          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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          • dogsrrs
            Gold Seat
            • Mar 2013
            • 6671

            #35
            So you think the players just go out and do their own thing the follow instructions and if they can't or don't understand what's asked of the then give them something they they do understand or can do the club should know what limitations they have when they sign them

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            • nasser95
              Gold Seat
              • Dec 2012
              • 7216

              #36
              Originally posted by dogsrrs
              So you think the players just go out and do their own thing the follow instructions and if they can't or don't understand what's asked of the then give them something they they do understand or can do the club should know what limitations they have when they sign them
              I didn't say they were 100% to blame, no one is 100% to blame, but there's a good proportion of blame to go to them. How can people think it's so black and white that it's either all the management's fault or all the players' fault?
              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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              • dogsrrs
                Gold Seat
                • Mar 2013
                • 6671

                #37
                Originally posted by nasser95
                wtf is this first sentence... You're blaming the management totally... we know these players are better than they're performing, therefore I put a good proportion of the blame on the players as well.
                The first sentence your words

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                • 1973 ranger
                  Gold Seat
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 5990

                  #38
                  Could it be the players have downed tools for this manager? Would not be the first time that has happened to someone. Years ago fans got managers the sack now the players do.

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                  • dogsrrs
                    Gold Seat
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 6671

                    #39
                    Originally posted by nasser95
                    I didn't say they were 100% to blame, no one is 100% to blame, but there's a good proportion of blame to go to them. How can people think it's so black and white that it's either all the management's fault or all the players' fault?
                    Your so interested in disagreeing you dont see I said it's the managers assistant it's the manager it's the D o f it's board that are allowing dross to be sold to the fans

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                    • 1973 ranger
                      Gold Seat
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 5990

                      #40
                      Collectivly from Fernandes to Ferdinand to JFH they are all to blame. Fernandes for me has to take the majority as after 5 years in charge we should be in a much better shape than we are.

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                      • nasser95
                        Gold Seat
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 7216

                        #41
                        Originally posted by dogsrrs
                        Your so interested in disagreeing you dont see I said it's the managers assistant it's the manager it's the D o f it's board that are allowing dross to be sold to the fans
                        And you're so interested in ignoring what I'm saying that you fail to see I said management, that includes everyone from top to bottom in the higher up staff. But please, continue to argue away how the players aren't at all to blame, but everyone else is.
                        "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                        • nasser95
                          Gold Seat
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 7216

                          #42
                          Originally posted by 1973 ranger
                          Collectivly from Fernandes to Ferdinand to JFH they are all to blame. Fernandes for me has to take the majority as after 5 years in charge we should be in a much better shape than we are.
                          And do the players get no blame whatsoever?
                          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                          • 1973 ranger
                            Gold Seat
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 5990

                            #43
                            They need to look at themselves for sure but having seen their reaction in the last 3 games when conceeding a goal they look like a bunch who have downed tolls for this guy. Ultimately the whole mess from top to bottom is down to one man and that is Tony Fernandes. QPR ####ing Aeroplanes to Ji Sung Park to 150k a week on 2 goalkeepers to FFP hanging over us. Look at Swansea who went up with us in 2011 and look at us!

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                            • dogsrrs
                              Gold Seat
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 6671

                              #44
                              My final words are the fans being sold dross ?

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                              • 1973 ranger
                                Gold Seat
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 5990

                                #45
                                Best way to end this and the answer is 100% yes.

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