Shipped Two Goals against 10 men

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

So because we were chuffed when we scored with 10 men, that means it's perfectly fine for us to concede vs 10 men?

It's $hit, no 2 ways about it. 2 huge points lost because of it.

[lymehoop]

why did he bring on Hoilett, the man is bereft of any confidence and todays performance could finish his career at Rangers. Shocking

[nasser95]

So because we were chuffed when we scored with 10 men, that means it's perfectly fine for us to concede vs 10 men?

It's $hit, no 2 ways about it. 2 huge points lost because of it.

I'm not saying we should be chuffed with the situation but the fact is that teams do have a tendency to perform well with 10 men, I don't even know why and I have been trying to look into it as a subject because there have been so many cases where it has worked out for the depleted team. Obviously I am gutted with the result and I feel it is two points lost today and 1 lost against Arsenal but the fact is that it is just a general issue of pressure. When a team has nothing to lose they will throw everything at a problem to fix it. When you have players like Bony who can just pop up and score, it does make it easier to get a goal out of nothing. Look at Man City who should have got nothing out of their match against us were it not for Aguero, the same can be said today. I just think this is an over reaction to a problem that is non existent really. Just to reiterate, it sucks to concede so late to 10 men, but I wouldn't say that it is something that can be solved tactically with the resources currently available to us. Maybe with sandro back we can afford to bring on someone else who is defensive to just hold the ship but we don't have that available.

[West Acton]

Nasser if your seriously saying playing against 10men is not something that can be influenced by tactics then we may as well give up now

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Nasser if your seriously saying playing against 10men is not something that can be influenced by tactics then we may as well give up now

But his stats say thats not true silly

[nasser95]

But his stats say thats not true silly

At no point in this thread have i mentioned stats Jimmy. I seriously suggest you reconsider this seeming attitude you have towards me and my use of stats because it is just a waste of my energy to constantly prove you wrong.
Of course tactics can influence things at certain points and as I said, we were doing absolutely fine for a huge majority of the period they went down to 10. Unfortunately, when bony got an inch of space to toe poke a shot, there was only one result and we were unfortunate. The tactics to deal with them going down was fine. When we went to arsenal and they went down to 10, we played some of our best football away from home and were unlucky that, in resting some key players defensively, we were left flat footed at the back. Today was the same. We did fine and one moment of brilliance from bony caught us out.

[Shepherds Mush]

Thing is, a team 1-0 down away from home with seconds to go are always gonna throw caution to the wind and ignore fact they're a man down. Rather than depleting Swans I felt sending off just galvanised them for a final push. I reckon most teams would be unaffected by a sending off in final few minutes (except us probably).

Nothing to lose...1-0 or 2-0 they still get no points so therefore they will go forward hoping they can nab a point

[nasser95]

Nothing to lose...1-0 or 2-0 they still get no points so therefore they will go forward hoping they can nab a point

Exactly, they would have had everyone up anyways with 10 or 11 men on the pitch

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

You can't prove me wrong I'm afraid statto as proved last week when you declined to answer half of my queries or failed to see the point of the other half, even though others stated this too.

[nasser95]

You can't prove me wrong I'm afraid statto as proved last week when you declined to answer half of my queries or failed to see the point of the other half, even though others stated this too.

What are you actually on about Jimmy? like seriously? are you just failing to read my posts or are you choosing to ignore the key points. Do you not get it by now? I don't actually care if you agree or disagree, that is the whole point of a forum, it is to have people who you can discuss different viewpoints with.
You have not made a single valid point in this thread yet you are suggesting I can't prove you wrong. Prove what wrong? what have you said for me to prove wrong in this particular thread. All I said was I am tired of having to deal with your agenda against me and I will still defend myself if you try to be a smarta$$ keyboard warrior.
Now, I have made a valid footballing point above, you can choose to answer it with a valid footballing point of your own, or don't bother saying anything.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

No agenda statto. What's the point?

Just think you need pulling up on a few things now and again, you post as fact a lot of the time based on your 'stats' when in reality it's not like that.

Have a nice day sweetie xx

[nasser95]

No agenda statto. What's the point?

Just think you need pulling up on a few things now and again, you post as fact a lot of the time based on your 'stats' when in reality it's not like that.

Have a nice day sweetie xx

Well actually the stat is a fact, hence it's existence. It is obvious that Barton has poor passing accuracy, as we have all said, the stat highlights this. If it wasn't the way it was in reality, the stat wouldn't exist. Stats exist based on factual events, they aren't made up, they aren't up for debate they just exist to help. If you don't like stats because they don't agree with the points you make then say that, don't say the stats aren't facts. Alot of the work I do in the sport is based on stats, people have hired me to do work based on my knowledge and application of stats, it doesn't really stick with me when people begin to question my work because it goes against what they have said.

[MattyRangers]

Well actually the stat is a fact, hence it's existence. It is obvious that Barton has poor passing accuracy, as we have all said, the stat highlights this. If it wasn't the way it was in reality, the stat wouldn't exist. Stats exist based on factual events, they aren't made up, they aren't up for debate they just exist to help. If you don't like stats because they don't agree with the points you make then say that, don't say the stats aren't facts. Alot of the work I do in the sport is based on stats, people have hired me to do work based on my knowledge and application of stats, it doesn't really stick with me when people begin to question my work because it goes against what they have said.

Crikey.

Statistically, you've used the word "stat" twice per line in that post

[West Acton]

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

[nasser95]

Crikey.

Statistically, you've used the word "stat" twice per line in that post

Actually it is about 2.67 times haha. My point is just that when I make money outside of studying, it is down to my work with Statistical analysis, both in sport and outside of it. I know how valuable they can be and plenty of premier league managers do as well.