Welbeck

[Abseits]

He is indicative of how far standards have dropped in English football.... he's very average and in any other period of football he would not have got an England or United start. We seem content with a bit of running around and "showing willing" as a replacement for actual talent/ability now??? I'm happy he's off though - I made a bet with a United mate for a few quid at start of this year that Welbeck wouldn't be a United player by Xmas. I'm even happier he's gone to Hull so we didn't get mugged.

[FurtiveFox]

Good first touch and movement, not convinced by his finishing. Be happy enough if we signed him but would never happen.

[West Acton]

Sorry I think Welbeck is absolute pony, headless chicken, very little end product, not fit to tie Remy's laces!

Jamie Mackie was a hero in the bush for being pony and a headless chicken and Wellbeck is a billion times better then him

Would be an absolute star in a hoops shirt if we could get him and a front four of him, Austin, Remy and Bobby is not shabby at all

[West Acton]

He is indicative of how far standards have dropped in English football.... he's very average and in any other period of football he would not have got an England or United start. We seem content with a bit of running around and "showing willing" as a replacement for actual talent/ability now??? I'm happy he's off though - I made a bet with a United mate for a few quid at start of this year that Welbeck wouldn't be a United player by Xmas. I'm even happier he's gone to Hull so we didn't get mugged.

Quite an opening post but welcome nonetheless

He might be an average United player but were not Man Utd the biggest club in the world were not even the biggest club in our borough so a player of Wellbecks stature would be quite a coup for the club given his age, experience and potential

Your right he does work double hard but don't assume that means he does not have the tricks and touch as he does and often pulls moves out when playing for Man Utd

[lymehoop]

held back and perhaps short of confidence by Rooney and van Persie, technically gifted although not a natural goal scorer. Agree, could be a real star at Rangers

[Nick]

You're looking at this the wrong way round. A player like Welbeck is often underrated in terms of what he could deliver for a club like us as your average QPR fan only ever sees him and thinks of him in his Man United context, where he compares unfavourably to Van Persie, Mata, Rooney etc. We've all got United fan mates who will slate players like this, and yet he would be a superb signing for Hull.

See also, Michael Carrick. Or look at the stick Gareth Barry used to get for being the poor relation to Yaya Toure. Then he pops up at Everton anchoring a top six side.

Good points by stationcafe above - predictably laughed at by the hapless Nick who just can't be right about anything, ever - though I's probably still take Remy over Welbeck (just). It's a close one though, and the Chicarito comparison is very apt.

Apologies Geng your right I should've given good reason as to why I laughed so much. Something to do with the following statements by stationcafe regarding Wellbeck....

1) been England's best player for the past few year's..

Cole
Rio
Gerrard
Hart
Townsend
Terry (sorry)
Wiltshire
Defoe
Cahill
Lampard
Baines
When playing for England and at their best, would rather any of these players on the pitch over Welbeck any day.

2) Welbeck is good enough to displace Remy

Really??

[Shepherds Mush]

Remy & Hernandez are cut from the same cloth. They score goals but don't contribute much to the team's overall play

I understand what you are saying but if they can score the goals that win matches so what?

Gary Lineker built an entire career in the opposition 6 yard box. Never heard anyone complain about his work-rate for the team.

[Geng]

Apologies Geng your right I should've given good reason as to why I laughed so much. Something to do with the following statements by stationcafe regarding Wellbeck....

1) been England's best player for the past few year's..

Cole
Rio
Gerrard
Hart
Townsend
Terry (sorry)
Wiltshire
Defoe
Cahill
Lampard
Baines
When playing for England and at their best, would rather any of these players on the pitch over Welbeck any day.

2) Welbeck is good enough to displace Remy

Really??

The bolded part is key. None of the players you listed have been anything like at their best for England since Welbeck first got into the side.

Some of the names you mentioned are laughable. Defoe has never been as good as Welbeck is now; Lampard hasn't done much for England in years; Rio hasn't even played for England in this period; Townsend had a decent game against some Macedonian League 2 players which predictably got people who fall for the Sky hype machine really excited but nothing else.

I don't agree Welbeck has been England's best player over the past few years but there aren't really many outstanding candidates and at least stationcafe has given a decent explanation of why he thinks this. you've just laughed at him.

Not sure Welbeck is good enough to displace Remy. I think they're both squad players at a really good club (Man U+) or stars at a QPR/Newcastle. They'd make a hell of a partnership in a counter-attacking 352 with a certain someone in the hole.

[Geng]

I understand what you are saying but if they can score the goals that win matches so what?

Gary Lineker built an entire career in the opposition 6 yard box. Never heard anyone complain about his work-rate for the team.

It's a point about his style of play / strengths, not his work-rate. You wouldn't want Remy dropping back into midfield to build up play because he isn't particularly good at it, at least not compared to whoever you have in midfield. You want Remy on the shoulder of the last defender because it plays to his strengths.

Remy is far closer to Lineker than Welbeck, who would be the Beardsley of the analogy.

[Nick]

The bolded part is key. None of the players you listed have been anything like at their best for England since Welbeck first got into the side.

Some of the names you mentioned are laughable. Defoe has never been as good as Welbeck is now; Lampard hasn't done much for England in years; Rio hasn't even played for England in this period; Townsend had a decent game against some Macedonian League 2 players which predictably got people who fall for the Sky hype machine really excited but nothing else.

I don't agree Welbeck has been England's best player over the past few years but there aren't really many outstanding candidates and at least stationcafe has given a decent explanation of why he thinks this. you've just laughed at him.

Not sure Welbeck is good enough to displace Remy. I think they're both squad players at a really good club (Man U+) or stars at a QPR/Newcastle. They'd make a hell of a partnership in a counter-attacking 352 with a certain someone in the hole.

You say Rio hasn't played for England in this period... what period??? Stationcafe said 'last few years'.

Defoe- when at his best for England he hardly missed when given the opportunity, when he played.

As for the other's you say are laughable. I agree when they've played for England they've not done as well as they do for club but still 10 times better than Welbeck.... maybe just shows how poorly I rate Welbeck!

[Geng]

You say Rio hasn't played for England in this period... what period??? Stationcafe said 'last few years'.

Defoe- when at his best for England he hardly missed when given the opportunity, when he played.

As for the other's you say are laughable. I agree when they've played for England they've not done as well as they do for club but still 10 times better than Welbeck.... maybe just shows how poorly I rate Welbeck!

Rio Ferdinand last played for England (once) in April 2011. I make that just over 'a few years'. He only played four times in 2010.

Is your SSN on a four year delay or something?

[Nick]

Rio Ferdinand last played for England (once) in April 2011. I make that just over 'a few years'. He only played four times in 2010.

Is your SSN on a four year delay or something?

A couple of years is TWO YEARS

anything more is A FEW YEARS

Now Geng I know you seem to have a weird obsession where you have to argue with everything I say, but next time can you maybe make the subject worth arguing about instead of just trying to argue for the sake of arguing please.

[Geng]

A couple of years is TWO YEARS

anything more is A FEW YEARS

Now Geng I know you seem to have a weird obsession where you have to argue with everything I say, but next time can you maybe make the subject worth arguing about instead of just trying to argue for the sake of arguing please.

Eh?

- You said Rio had been a better player for England over the past few years than Welbeck.

I pointed out Rio hadn't even played for England in the past few years

2011 = three years ago. A few = three or more.

Don't forget this started because you replied to a thoughtful post with a load of laughing smilies.

[Shepherds Mush]

It's a point about his style of play / strengths, not his work-rate. You wouldn't want Remy dropping back into midfield to build up play because he isn't particularly good at it, at least not compared to whoever you have in midfield. You want Remy on the shoulder of the last defender because it plays to his strengths.

Remy is far closer to Lineker than Welbeck, who would be the Beardsley of the analogy.

Welbeck is nothing like a Beardsley. If anything, he is like a less prolific Sturridge.

[Nick]

Eh?

- You said Rio had been a better player for England over the past few years than Welbeck.

I pointed out Rio hadn't even played for England in the past few years

2011 = three years ago. A few = three or more.

Don't forget this started because you replied to a thoughtful post with a load of laughing smilies.

Ok Geng. I think its best we just leave it there.