How do managers get away with it?

[vblockranger]

Yet another anti-Fernandes smear. You've not a single shred of evidence that Park or any other player were Fernandes brand signings.

As for the wages issue and Fernandes upsetting the dressing room, Clint Hill recently said in an interview that he didn't mind what other players earned as long as they did their jobs. That was down to Hughes to make sure they did and in that he failed miserably.

You have no idea what the players are earning so how do you know the wages are ludicrous?

We know you don't like Fernandes but when you've been asked, you've consistently failed to come up with a suitable replacement.

Here's a little challenge for you:

1. Prove Park and perhaps others were Fernandes playing football manager and were brand-building signings.

2. Provide details of what the players are earning.

3. Put forward the name of a suitable chairman.

If you can answer these questions, then respect to you. If not, then we can all draw our own conclusions on the value of your comments.

Over to you pal.

You have your opinion on Fernandes and i have mine, dont like? tough live with it. You want to believe thats its all that nasty Hughes's fault and Uncle Tony didnt interfere with his job then fine by me, i wont try to convince you otherwise as you are entitled to your misled opinion. Bet you gagging with anticipation for Uncle Tony's next tweet? :-)

as to your numbered points...

1. Prove to me otherwise and change my opinion.
2. Prove to me that we have a balanced wage structure
3. Anyone as no one can do anyworse than last seasons fiasco.

ok to post your backing of Fernandes but like mine its only YOUR opinion and you cant back it up either.

back to you pal

[vblockranger]

That is correct Matty. Hughes wanted him and publicly said so. Straight from the horse's mouth. That's clear evidence in my book, unlike the speculations of others......

thats no evidence whatsoever or do you think Hughes publicly in an interview would say "Well Park wasnt my idea it was all Tony" ? naivety is rampant it seems and makes your total backing of Fernandes all the more understandable. :-)

[Olly]

Hughes was under extreme pressure from the owners to buy instant prem survival and the money was available. You are not going to get the players you want being a relegation risk club, and that's why we got the players we did, who had to be mainly induced by the money to come here. There wasn't the time to study incoming players mentality as to how committed they would be.

Park as has been suggested above along with our new asian defender were bought for commercial reasons, and we don't know who decided he was going to be made captain. Any manager would have had a nightmare trying to build an instant cohesive team, not just hughes. Both hughes and harry seem to have differing degrees of man management problems. I'm not sticking up for hughes, and there are plenty here not happy with harry either.

As well meaning as Tony was, the panic situation did more harm than good at the time, but our situation is retrievable long term. But I doubt if we are really going to build patiently where we are now, and so am inclined to think there is the possibility of going up and down over the next few years. The temptation of the millions involved is probably too strong to resist. So don't expect too much and just enjoy it all.

[vblockranger]

Hughes was under extreme pressure from the owners to buy instant prem survival and the money was available. You are not going to get the players you want being a relegation risk club, and that's why we got the players we did, who had to be mainly induced by the money to come here. There wasn't the time to study incoming players mentality as to how committed they would be.

Park as has been suggested above along with our new asian defender were bought for commercial reasons, and we don't know who decided he was going to be made captain. Any manager would have had a nightmare trying to build an instant cohesive team, not just hughes. Both hughes and harry seem to have differing degrees of man management problems. I'm not sticking up for hughes, and there are plenty here not happy with harry either.

As well meaning as Tony was, the panic situation did more harm than good at the time, but our situation is retrievable long term. But I doubt if we are really going to build patiently where we are now, and so am inclined to think there is the possibility of going up and down over the next few years. The temptation of the millions involved is probably to strong to resist. So don't expect too much and just enjoy it all.

Much more balanced view than mine :-) and pretty much how i see it without the added dislike that i personally feel towards Fernandes. Good Post. Tbf Fernandes himself has come out and admitted his mistakes but i am just not all that convinced that he will not make the same ones again...call me cynical :-)

[QPR Richard]

You have your opinion on Fernandes and i have mine, dont like? tough live with it. You want to believe thats its all that nasty Hughes's fault and Uncle Tony didnt interfere with his job then fine by me, i wont try to convince you otherwise as you are entitled to your misled opinion. Bet you gagging with anticipation for Uncle Tony's next tweet? :-)

as to your numbered points...

1. Prove to me otherwise and change my opinion.
2. Prove to me that we have a balanced wage structure
3. Anyone as no one can do anyworse than last seasons fiasco.

ok to post your backing of Fernandes but like mine its only YOUR opinion and you cant back it up either.

back to you pal

Wasn't it you that made certain claims? You're the one who made the accusations but can't back it up with a single shred of evidence.

Hughes made a public statement that he wanted to sign Park yet you claim he was a Fernandes signing. Where's your proof?

You claim the players are on ludicrous wages. I have no idea what they earn but you reckon you do. Show me what they earn.

Are you suggesting ANYONE can do a better job of running the club? Even yourself? Why don't you buy the club off Fernandes and the board?

I trust our board to do the right thing. I trust our board to rebuild the infrastructure of the club with a new training ground/academy. I trust our board to deliver a new stadium. I am pleased that finally a QPR board has provided sufficient transfer funds so that we can try to compete. I'm only sorry that we've appointed managers that have failed in that objective.

I believe Fernandes is good for QPR. Obviously you don't.

[QPR Richard]

thats no evidence whatsoever or do you think Hughes publicly in an interview would say "Well Park wasnt my idea it was all Tony" ? naivety is rampant it seems and makes your total backing of Fernandes all the more understandable. :-)

Hughes said publicly that Park was his idea. That constitutes evidence. You're just straw-clutching now because you have no proof or evidence to the contrary.

Unless Hughes comes out and says Park wasn't his idea, all we have to go on is what he's already stated.

[vblockranger]

Wasn't it you that made certain claims? You're the one who made the accusations but can't back it up with a single shred of evidence.

Hughes made a public statement that he wanted to sign Park yet you claim he was a Fernandes signing. Where's your proof?

You claim the players are on ludicrous wages. I have no idea what they earn but you reckon you do. Show me what they earn.

Are you suggesting ANYONE can do a better job of running the club? Even yourself? Why don't you buy the club off Fernandes and the board?

I trust our board to do the right thing. I trust our board to rebuild the infrastructure of the club with a new training ground/academy. I trust our board to deliver a new stadium. I am pleased that finally a QPR board has provided sufficient transfer funds so that we can try to compete. I'm only sorry that we've appointed managers that have failed in that objective.

I believe Fernandes is good for QPR. Obviously you don't.

Pleased for you and your faith...hope you are right. Keep up with the naivety and the swallowing of Fernandes tweets and constant interviews as it seems he loves the limelight more than Harry!. Hope Harry can get us up despite having a glorified events manager as a CEO negotiating new player contracts and an owner that seems more concerned with marketing and securing his dream multi use venue than imo the good of the club long term.

[vblockranger]

Hughes said publicly that Park was his idea. That constitutes evidence. You're just straw-clutching now because you have no proof or evidence to the contrary.

Unless Hughes comes out and says Park wasn't his idea, all we have to go on is what he's already stated.

Do you really live in the world where people come out in interviews and say the complete truth and just not what the fans want to hear? lol and i thought Fernandes was naive! Just believe what you want as i have no problem with you having an opinion Richard.

[QPR Richard]

Do you really live in the world where people come out in interviews and say the complete truth and just not what the fans want to hear? lol.

All I'm saying is that Hughes said he wanted to sign Park. That is on public record as you know. You make the claim that he was a Fernandes brand signing and him playing at football manager. You haven't a single shred of evidence to support that view.

If you can prove otherwise then great. If not, we have to accept what Hughes told us at the time. That's the only evidence available, and from a genuine source.

[vblockranger]

All I'm saying is that Hughes said he wanted to sign Park. That is on public record as you know. You make the claim that he was a Fernandes brand signing and him playing at football manager. You haven't a single shred of evidence to support that view.

If you can prove otherwise then great. If not, we have to accept what Hughes told us at the time. That's the only evidence available, and from a genuine source.

?????? of course we dont! do you accept as blind truth everything someone says when interviewed by the media? Do you accept and believe the managers excuses why we lost when interviewed after the game? of course you dont. Dont be so ridiculous. Now you are just being silly mate. I value your opinion when you post about tactics and such in the last season or two as you clearly know what you are talking about but to say we have to accept as truth anything that Hughes/Harry/Fernandes/Beard/anybody in the world spouts out in an interview is frankly beyond naive and you are clutching at straws with both hands. Laughable.

[Olly]

I subscribe to the view that most people in football - players, managers and owners are at least three-faced with what they say in public, in that they all want to talk rosy about each other. They are all very very wary of upsetting fans as they know too well that however only two-faced we are, (not three) we can cause immense damage to players, managers and owners, as we can pull no punches from the terraces.

[vblockranger]

I subscribe to the view that most people in football - players, managers and owners are at least three-faced with what they say in public, in that they all want to talk rosy about each other. They are all very very wary of upsetting fans as they know too well that however only two-faced we are, (not three) we can cause immense damage to players, managers and owners, as we can pull no punches from the terraces.

Of course it works this way..the fans know it, the managers know it and so do the media.

[QPR Richard]

?????? of course we dont! do you accept as blind truth everything someone says when interviewed by the media? Do you accept and believe the managers excuses why we lost when interviewed after the game? of course you dont. Dont be so ridiculous. Now you are just being silly mate. I value your opinion when you post about tactics and such in the last season or two as you clearly know what you are talking about but to say we have to accept as truth anything that Hughes/Harry/Fernandes/Beard/anybody in the world spouts out in an interview is frankly beyond naive and you are clutching at straws with both hands. Laughable.

I don't want to get into a public spat about this, all I'm saying is that there is no other evidence either from Hughes or Fernandes that Park was a signing by Fernandes to build brand awareness or if he was playing at football manager. All we have from either is that Hughes made the decision to sign him.

I don't always accept what managers tell us about games because like you, I know half of it is codswallop, but in the case of the Park signing, what other evidence is there?

[Shania]

Ref Park; pretty sure Hughes said himself that he wanted Park? Said Fernandes highlighted that he was available but transfers were down to Hughes & Hughes said he jumped at the chance to sign him?

I think it was Fernandes who was "keen" on Park.

[vblockranger]

I don't want to get into a public spat about this, all I'm saying is that there is no other evidence either from Hughes or Fernandes that Park was a signing by Fernandes to build brand awareness or if he was playing at football manager. All we have from either is that Hughes made the decision to sign him.

I don't always accept what managers tell us about games because like you, I know half of it is codswallop, but in the case of the Park signing, what other evidence is there?

I suppose it is just a personal interpretation of events. I dislike Fernandes and you like him and back him so i suppose tbh the real truth is probably somewhere in the middle :-). Call it a gut feeling but i dont see Fernandes as an innocent party in all this..i see him as the main reason we had such a season.