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  • 2016-17 accounts are out

    so... main numbers:

    loss 6.4m
    total debt 64.6m
    of which:

    - 46.0m is shareholder loans
    - 4.2m is outstanding transfer fee payments
    - 4.0m is a bank loan (ie actual external borrowing)
    - 1.9m is tax
    - 8.5m is other stuff

    uh-oh! i think we have managed to go slightly over our ffp allowance under the new rules by 1.9m (but would need to check).

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
    Last edited by klonk; 07-03-2018, 11:35 AM.

  • #2
    http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/f...-explained.php

    Just checked and losses for 2 previous seasons were 45.7m and 11m so looks like we come in at around the 63m mark, meaning we've gone over by about 2m (basically what klonk said)
    Last edited by blueandwright; 07-03-2018, 12:09 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by blueandwright View Post
      http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/f...-explained.php

      Just having a read of that and says clubs are allowed losses of up to 13m a season. Does that not mean we're under by quite a bit?

      EDIT: Just re-read and realised this would be the 3rd year so is up for evaluation, does anyone know whether the previous two years combined are enough to take us over 61m?
      i think it does...

      2014-15 45.7m
      2015-16 10.9m
      2016-17 6.4m

      total 63.0m

      ...that said, under the original rules there were some costs which were exempt from the calculation (i think costs of youth development etc was one) - i don't know if that's still the case, but it could just bring us under if it still is.
      Last edited by klonk; 07-03-2018, 12:09 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by klonk View Post
        i think it does...

        2014-15 45.7m
        2015-16 10.9m
        2016-17 6.4m

        total 63.0m
        yeah mate went back and had a look myself and edited my post. Any idea what repercussions will come of it?

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        • #5
          Tight bar steward didn't spend spend spend in the summer or the January windows.
          Get out of my club.

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          • #6
            The Kleenex box is being opened as we speak in some households

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            • #7
              Originally posted by IsleworthRanger View Post
              The Kleenex box is being opened as we speak in some households
              Jesus

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              • #8
                We are allowed to lose 5m on average over 3 seasons. This becomes 13m average if owners pay the difference.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blueandwright View Post
                  yeah mate went back and had a look myself and edited my post. Any idea what repercussions will come of it?
                  no idea... hopefully the fact that we've behaved for the more recent seasons will act in our favour, but clearly the previous case still hangs heavily. the accounts say that the club remain "confident" that the decision in relation to the huge fine will be overturned.

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                  • #10
                    Doesn't make for great reading really. We've hardly spent a penny on players all season, yet we are still living beyond our means. I suspect we are in for a summer of players heading for the exit door, to be replaced by cheaper alternatives.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tarbie View Post
                      Doesn't make for great reading really. We've hardly spent a penny on players all season, yet we are still living beyond our means. I suspect we are in for a summer of players heading for the exit door, to be replaced by cheaper alternatives.
                      We shouldn't forget that this is still quite historical information here. The year to May 17 is last season really.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tarbie View Post
                        Doesn't make for great reading really. We've hardly spent a penny on players all season, yet we are still living beyond our means. I suspect we are in for a summer of players heading for the exit door, to be replaced by cheaper alternatives.
                        there was (and probably still is) a big mess to sort out at the club.

                        in some ways, it's difficult to see that things will change in relation to player recruitment - the loss is being reduced by making profits on selling players and through parachute payments. the parachute payments run out after next season (and will be lower this season in any case). we reduced the wage bill by 10m during 2016-17, but we still need to reduce it further to keep up with reductions in income from the parachute payments and be less reliant on player sales.

                        it's worth noting, the accounts appear to say that we spent nearly 15m on players during 2016-17, which is not so small an investment. for reference, i think we generated about 12m in transfer fees.
                        Last edited by klonk; 07-03-2018, 02:20 PM.

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                        • #13
                          the owners are charging the club a interest on the loans they are giving it.


                          #QPR owners have organised loan of 46m to the club, 30m at 12.7% interest & 16m at 26.8% interest. Interest charge on these loans 113,000 a week.


                          nicle little earner there for uncle and co
                          nsa/cia spy on this..............┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hitman34 View Post
                            the owners are charging the club a interest on the loans they are giving it.


                            #QPR owners have organised loan of 46m to the club, 30m at 12.7% interest & 16m at 26.8% interest. Interest charge on these loans 113,000 a week.


                            nicle little earner there for uncle and co
                            5,876,000 per year interest alone.

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                            • #15
                              Ruben is now the largest shareholder with 51.04%
                              TF & Kamarudin own 41.08%
                              Mittals now own 7.4%
                              nsa/cia spy on this..............┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

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