Deleted thread?! Why censor debate?

[FurtiveFox]

And once again you avoid the real point. Your 'facts' are nothing unless proven. You say you have done your 'research' and that this is different to the info that was spouted by you in a link that was provided on the deleted thread, (no doubt you have deleted that thread as well). Convenient that you have now managed to get this 'rock solid' research the moment that Briatore has gone and that there was never any threads started by you in the last 12 months prior to his departure when it became apparent to many of us that things were being done on the 'cheap'. I would imagine at that point Briatore began to lose interest or was flabbagasted at the financial waste created by our glorious, then Director of Football. Yet right up to this January you are telling us about the wonderful signings we were going to make. You Pete, are like your handler, nothing but a blood-sucking parasitic fraud.

Sorry but comments about Gianni based on nothing but speculation. Suggest you get a life pal. I really don't think Gianni is so important as to keep vast numbers of fans away. He has just become an easy target as a hate figure for a few who just want something to moan about regardless of whether they know what they are talking about or not.

[FurtiveFox]

Sorry but this thread has also degenerated into a farce. Would suggest it be deleted as it is achieving nothing but sowing yet more discord.

[nobby]

The trouble is the post wasn't about Gianni Paladini.

It was about Flavio's tight wallet.

For some reason it descended into a farce.

If you were happy with Flavio, then fair play and think all that is bad with the club is Gianni, then also I would like to say fair play.

And once again you avoid the real point. Your 'facts' are nothing unless proven. You say you have done your 'research' and that this is different to the info that was spouted by you in a link that was provided on the deleted thread, (no doubt you have deleted that thread as well). Convenient that you have now managed to get this 'rock solid' research the moment that Briatore has gone and that there was never any threads started by you in the last 12 months prior to his departure when it became apparent to many of us that things were being done on the 'cheap'. I would imagine at that point Briatore began to lose interest or was flabbagasted at the financial waste created by our glorious, then Director of Football. Yet right up to this January you are telling us about the wonderful signings we were going to make. You Pete, are like your handler, nothing but a blood-sucking parasitic fraud.

[sirpiechucker]

sirpiechucker

We got Ramage for FREE, why is that?

No idea. He isn't a right back and never was until Stephen Carr broke his leg.

So are you saying the squad isn't unbalanced and never has been?

[qblockpete]

Terry Ball

If you are given no player budget, what do you do?

I don't know if its me, but I get the impression that Flavio is exempt from any blame and Gianni held back millions and brought in loans instead.

TERRY,

Already said, but it gets lost in translation.

German must have been noticed in training, so getting in Priskin makes no sense. The only defence of Harford he wanted experience and someone who could hold the ball up. We had no money available, so had to go for a cheap option,

[qblockpete]

The trouble is the post wasn't about Gianni Paladini.

It was about Flavio's tight wallet.

For some reason it descended into a farce.

If you were happy with Flavio, then fair play and think all that is bad with the club is Gianni, then also I would like to say fair play.

[nobby]

The thread only degenerated due to the fact that QBP would not give straight forward answers to straight forward questions and kept on trying to either deflect the questions to another subject or ignore questions or facts posted. He totally ignored the more controversial points of my post as usual because the bloke knows that he was digging a sizeable hole for himself. This is his usual behaviour. The original post wasn't about how tight Briatore was with the cash, because frankly he spent a ****load on players, and alot more on transfer fees, signing on fees, wages, agent fees etc, than Pete reckons. No this thread was originally started to up to discredit Briatore now that he had gone, with the full backing of GP. Dare I say it, but behaviour reflecting those of many millions of Italians during the second world war once Mussolini was hanged. GP is the QPR equivalent of a war criminal, (yeah I know the comparison is a bit extreme), but one of those war criminals who start bleating after he was found out, who would say, "I was doing what I was ordered to do, otherwise my commander would have shot me!" And then spill the beans on as much as he could, continually putting himself in the light of being the reluctant accomplice whilst putting the knife in as deep as he can on the 'bigger villian'.

Pete is now Paladini's voice on the outside of the 'condemned prison' and trying to show the world that QPR still needs the valuable imput of Paladini. Equally it seems that Pete very much has a vested interest in the survival of Paladini. There is too much mis-trust with the supporters for Paladini to remain at QPR. There are many, many supporters who will not return to QPR until Paladini goes. Paladini's presence at the club will continue to darken the future of QPR.

Pete loans do cost money too. Clubs don't give you players for nothing e.g blackstock to forest loan last season for 400k.

Suspect we've paid a fair whack for Simpson and taarabt even before we contribute to or pay all the players wages.

And they're just two of the many loanees this term.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

At least two of our loans cost us six figures in "transfer" fees in addition to wages and bonuses.

[terry ball]

Pete
don't doubt for one minute that flavio would of
rathered the cheaper options, alot of
out signings proved that.

As you understand it though, did gianni select the
players and flavio had the final say?

[qblockpete]

The last big signing we made really made was Routledge a year ago. I understand Flavio preferred to see the best deals available where he didn't have to part with too much cash.

That would answer why we didn't get targets like Leon Best, Ben Watson (buy last season), Chopra (last season), Cox, Beckford, Kitson plus long list of players we were linked to because they were either too much wages or they would have cost millions to buy.

Bent reportedly took a massive drop to come here to get first team football and Priskin was cheap. End of the day, if we had millions to spend January or last summer, we would have spent it.

Why do you think we were after frees like Adedbola in the summer?? If faurlin had been 3.5 million, I'm sure leon Best would have been a steal at 1 million

[terry ball]

terry Ball

only one person spends it and he did literally give in his P45

I know what you mean, Flav had the final say and rightly so, it's his money.

What we seem to be unable to agree on though is that GP is the man responsible for selecting the players. As i understand it, Paladini suggests the players, flav says yes or no.

Is that correct as you understand it?

[qblockpete]

terry Ball

only one person spends it and he did literally give in his P45

[jonno]

johnno?/

I take it you don't like the fella?

Otherwise you no doubt realise that Flavio held all the purse strings and budgets for players.

Sounds to me, many on here are a little gutted that Flavio left, I do fnd that surprising.

but aye, what do I know?

Not a case of not liking GP, I don't know him. I do know that he has made a complete hash of his role at the Club, anybody can see that, and as such should be removed from having any influence. Glad to see Briatore is no longer in charge, but GP should also go as well. We need to bring in people that know how to run a successful Club, and build up the infrastructure to allow that to happen. That means a scouting network, proper fitness coach, proper youth setup etc. You need those foundations if you want to progress.
GP has shown that he has no idea of what is required - we need proper football people with the right knowledge and experience.

[terry ball]

Terry Ball deducted the fee from Routledge, which reduces annual to 8.5 million expenditure. You'll right we are just summarising, we probably have more than 7,000 season ticket holders for example.

It sounds like you are defending Flavio?/ Fair play, not many have.

I used to think The Flav was doing his best and only changed my view recently.

Think we cannot dispute the loans recently, but I would put that do not having a spending budget??

Reality is, we've tried to reach the dizzy heights of premiership with 13,000 crowds, without spending millions.

I'd say the only person to hold the players budget on whats available was Flavio, but you can come back at me, if you think I am wrong.

I do want t put on record that Flavio did rescue this club from the proverbials and we are lucky now to have the Mittals on board, much of that down to him in the first place

Flavio is vile

Even though i dislike the bloke, I can not criticize him for his spending.

The man that has spent it deserves his p45

[qblockpete]

johnno?/

I take it you don't like the fella?

Otherwise you no doubt realise that Flavio held all the purse strings and budgets for players.

Sounds to me, many on here are a little gutted that Flavio left, I do fnd that surprising.

but aye, what do I know?