The script for Tuesday

[Mr Lofty]

Okay fans booed after a win against Bristol City, and that would have sent shockwaves amongst the players and would have made them feel it was hardly worth it. For the life of me, still don't understand why they did it.

Connors, the problem lies with the perception that we have rich owners and they will bail us out of the troubles. They are to blame for promising higher calibre of football and premiership within 4 years. I can understand the board doing that, but the dream is a nightmare for many.

Fans don't boo players if they feel the players are giving 100%. A couple of games this season we have been drawing at half time or losing and the fans have not got on their backs. if the board came in and said the club is secure and our main challenge is to stablise our club in the championship, most fans would have been happy. The fact is Flavio wanted to turn this club into a boutique club and the only way he could do that was polish up the ground, reduce the crowd capacity and down the line make supporters pay £70-£150 for a seat. I really do believe that now, its a boutique philosophy. Smaller crowds with more money through the turnstiles and the working class can take a hike when we get promoted.

I don't know where we go from here, but we will be a better club without Flavio at the helm in my honest opinion.

Gosh, a lot of love and sense on the board tonight. Are we all in a more reflective mood? I can see Pete is! Lets just hope FB is eh!

Conners - You are so right about booing being counter productive but you cannot seem to grasp the fact that it is a natural recation. It doesnt help anyone but it is and will always be a fact of life. I read somewhere Bristol Citys fans were booing in their last match. They are a club with stability, a popular manager etc. It just happens when a paying customer, or if you prefer, fan believes what is on offer doesn't warrant the entrance money. Agree or dissagree, one has every right to voice their opinion.

I think our game against Bristol City was the straw that broke the camels back. A very unusal reaction but born out of utter contempt to the management of QPR (at the time). Wrong? of course it was, crazy actually. But we all need to dig deep and ask why this happened. I dont believe the QPR management have ever done this. If they had we maybe wouldn't be the shambles we are. However I still would never criticise the fans, you simply cannot.

I actually feel sorry for many of the players as they seem to be pawns in worsening battle. Caught right in the middle. They are being put into the firing line, typical of a dictatorship really. Blame everyone but themselves. It's not their fault they are playing in an unbalanced team. Not their fault they have had about 6 different coaches in a year. Not their fault that lunatics are running the club. Someone said the other day that why is it that players we hate and sell go on and perform at other clubs. It has nothing to do with fans booing them. For gods sake these are grown men who are doing their job.

The reason they go on and perform better is because they are moving to proper clubs with proper coaching structures in place. Look at Forest and Newcastle now. Everyone ##### off Mike Ashley and maybe in the past had every good reason. But this season he has let Houghton get on with it, backed him with a few bob and kept nice and quiet in the background. Look at the result. I bet Hall has a great season and will even stick my neck out and say he will play a part in the Premiership for them next season.

Blaming the fans is a poor excuse. I havent seen Dexter blaming QPR fans for his poor form, have you?

[conners]

Yes, basically through his secretary thanked us for the support and providing the link.

That was it, but you never know

Ok thanks. if the guys are interested in buying in, i guess that they cannot be openly seen as supporting the team amit campaign as it may impact the price they pay to purchase briatores share.

[qblockpete]

Yes, basically through his secretary thanked us for the support and providing the link.

That was it, but you never know

[conners]

Pete, did you get a response from Amit last week ?

Think you were going to send him a link or something.

[qblockpete]

Okay fans booed after a win against Bristol City, and that would have sent shockwaves amongst the players and would have made them feel it was hardly worth it. For the life of me, still don't understand why they did it.

Connors, the problem lies with the perception that we have rich owners and they will bail us out of the troubles. They are to blame for promising higher calibre of football and premiership within 4 years. I can understand the board doing that, but the dream is a nightmare for many.

Fans don't boo players if they feel the players are giving 100%. A couple of games this season we have been drawing at half time or losing and the fans have not got on their backs. if the board came in and said the club is secure and our main challenge is to stablise our club in the championship, most fans would have been happy. The fact is Flavio wanted to turn this club into a boutique club and the only way he could do that was polish up the ground, reduce the crowd capacity and down the line make supporters pay £70-£150 for a seat. I really do believe that now, its a boutique philosophy. Smaller crowds with more money through the turnstiles and the working class can take a hike when we get promoted.

I don't know where we go from here, but we will be a better club without Flavio at the helm in my honest opinion.

Obviously the latter but normally very difficult to turn things around when you get to that point.

Bottom line Quaz, you cannot seriously think that booing helps our current cause or do you ?

mate it's a hard one...no i don't agree with booing...BUT the players are not going to come over and get the fans view point after the game......so some vent their feelings by booing.

[conners]

if you were performing badly at work would your boss applaud you or tell you to buck your ideas up?

Obviously the latter but normally very difficult to turn things around when you get to that point.

Bottom line Quaz, you cannot seriously think that booing helps our current cause or do you ?

Mr Lofty, re your first point, do you think that someone that boos is supporting their team ?

Don't agree with point either about management taking full responsibility. What about the fans that booed the team off against Bristol City. Are they not responsible also ?

I would hate to play for QPR at this time. Fans moan about top players not coming even on loan. It is not for the want of trying to get these guys in. Good players don't want to come, one because of the management and two, because of the fans.

Our players cant even walk to their cars without being booed.

if you were performing badly at work would your boss applaud you or tell you to buck your ideas up?

[qblockpete]

Mr lofty your posts are very good and I can see clearly where you are coming from and don't think many can disagree.

[conners]

You will never ever get a paying customer to cheer, support, be happy or whatever you want to call it, total dross. It just will not happen and you are very naive to think they should or will.

Pete, you are at a loss to what has gone wrong. In these situations only one set of people can take the can. They are called management. they are paid to sort it and make it better. They clearly have not, end of. One thing is for sure, our squad has been unbalanced ever since the takeover. Of course some signings have been very good but on the whole that word, unbalanced. Here lays the problem. It has been like a disease getting worse and worse. In any other walk of life or any other club come to think of it heads would roll. Not QPR of course, we just blindly carry on sacking each coach. Pathetic.

Mr Lofty, re your first point, do you think that someone that boos is supporting their team ?

Don't agree with point either about management taking full responsibility. What about the fans that booed the team off against Bristol City. Are they not responsible also ?

I would hate to play for QPR at this time. Fans moan about top players not coming even on loan. It is not for the want of trying to get these guys in. Good players don't want to come, one because of the management and two, because of the fans.

Our players cant even walk to their cars without being booed.

[Mr Lofty]

Mr Lofty, I appreciate the constructive post.

On the playing side, I don't actually thing the board has done too many things drastically wrong. Rowlands has been a cruel loss. Had he remained fit, we could have easily attracted a top striker to bolster the team, even a good one on loan.

Don't want to keep going on about the fans, my comments are well known.

As for your last point about protesting for change of direction, I would be able to understand that and think that the protesters may be a chance of success if they were not chanting things like "Flavio is a w*****" whilst protesting. That is what i have a problem comprehending.

I agree with you here. Wrong, childish and ineffective.

[Mr Lofty]

Pete, spot on post. Not 100% about the last paragraph though. Think we can do a lot more by somehow trying to cheer the team on during games or at least not booing, ALTHOUGH, i sympathise that it does take some effort to cheer what we are seeing at the mo (but that is what we have to somehow do),

Totally agree re our performances in Oct / Nov. Best football i have seen from a QPR team in years. Reinforces the point i make though that Gianni has not signed only dud players and yet we moan when all these duds go on to places like Watford and produce the goods.

You will never ever get a paying customer to cheer, support, be happy or whatever you want to call it, total dross. It just will not happen and you are very naive to think they should or will.

Pete, you are at a loss to what has gone wrong. In these situations only one set of people can take the can. They are called management. they are paid to sort it and make it better. They clearly have not, end of. One thing is for sure, our squad has been unbalanced ever since the takeover. Of course some signings have been very good but on the whole that word, unbalanced. Here lays the problem. It has been like a disease getting worse and worse. In any other walk of life or any other club come to think of it heads would roll. Not QPR of course, we just blindly carry on sacking each coach. Pathetic.

[conners]

Conners - People like you have an uncanny knack of making a bad situation worse even though you are full of good intentions. Quite incredible.

Are you sure you are not Ali Russell? I think there is this link because your communication skills are absolutely horrendous! the worst I think I have ever witnessed on these boards. You would fit into the QPR management very well indeed.

I actually feel you have made valid points but you have no idea how to convey them. All you do is turn people against you as you come across as a pompus t it. I am not saying you are that, but I am not suprised at all that this is how you are perceived.

One point I very much disagree with is that in my opinion all fans are the same from every club. It is totally illogical to think otherwise. The QPR fans present reaction is normal under the circumstances and would happen at any other club put under the same shambolic conditions. The momment an owner of any business blames the fans/customers it is the begining of the end. A poor move and feeble excuse which I am afraid is what I believe you are by spouting your dislike and hatred of the fellow fan. That is not the answer and never is.

However, your point raised that nobody is bigger than the club is very true.

An alternative point of view for you would be, have you ever thought that the fans protests may be in the hope that they will force the board into a change of direction. Maybe the fans care so much they want to force a change. Funnily enough it is not the fans that want to turn round and say I told you so. They just want 3 points and success. No, it's other people who want to do that. The board have created this feeling of them and us, not the fans.

Mr Lofty, I appreciate the constructive post.

On the playing side, I don't actually thing the board has done too many things drastically wrong. Rowlands has been a cruel loss. Had he remained fit, we could have easily attracted a top striker to bolster the team, even a good one on loan.

Don't want to keep going on about the fans, my comments are well known.

As for your last point about protesting for change of direction, I would be able to understand that and think that the protesters may be a chance of success if they were not chanting things like "Flavio is a w*****" whilst protesting. That is what i have a problem comprehending.

very good post indeed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Mr Lofty]

Conners - People like you have an uncanny knack of making a bad situation worse even though you are full of good intentions. Quite incredible.

Are you sure you are not Ali Russell? I think there is this link because your communication skills are absolutely horrendous! the worst I think I have ever witnessed on these boards. You would fit into the QPR management very well indeed.

I actually feel you have made valid points but you have no idea how to convey them. All you do is turn people against you as you come across as a pompus t it. I am not saying you are that, but I am not suprised at all that this is how you are perceived.

One point I very much disagree with is that in my opinion all fans are the same from every club. It is totally illogical to think otherwise. The QPR fans present reaction is normal under the circumstances and would happen at any other club put under the same shambolic conditions. The momment an owner of any business blames the fans/customers it is the begining of the end. A poor move and feeble excuse which I am afraid is what I believe you are by spouting your dislike and hatred of the fellow fan. That is not the answer and never is.

However, your point raised that nobody is bigger than the club is very true.

An alternative point of view for you would be, have you ever thought that the fans protests may be in the hope that they will force the board into a change of direction. Maybe the fans care so much they want to force a change. Funnily enough it is not the fans that want to turn round and say I told you so. They just want 3 points and success. No, it's other people who want to do that. The board have created this feeling of them and us, not the fans.