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  • Managers Under the New "Money" Era

    I was asked by garyqpr4eva to write this thread as he wondered since the "money" men have come in how successful our managers in comparison with each other have been.

    Please remember the varying situation these managers found themselves in and therefore the achievements although do differ need to be put into context for a fair comparison. For instance Luigi De Canio took over a team at the bottom of the league and then had to manage a completely new XI after that January. Dowie had a pre season but had to deal with the likes of Ledesma, Parejo and De Carmine being forced upon him. Sousa, like De Canio, didn't have a pre season but took the team over in a more favourable position (league standing) than De Canio. Magilton had a pre season, Hart and Harford took over a team which after "Buzsaky-Gate" were in turmoil and Warnock (again without a pre season) took a team who had not kept a clean sheet in half a season nor had won a match in quite some time.

    PPG = Points Per Game

    De Canio - P34, W12, D11, L11, GF50, GA 45, PTS 47, PPG 1.38

    Dowie - P12, W5, D3, L4, GF13, GA12, PTS 18, PPG 1.50

    Sousa - P23, W7, D11, L5, GF22, GA19, PTS 32, PPG 1.39

    Magilton - P20, W7, D7, L6, GF33, GA29, PTS 28, PPG 1.40

    After Magilton & Before Warnock - P12, W2, D3, L7, GF10, GA22, PTS 9, PPG 0.75

    Warnock - P14, W5, D5, L4, GF15, GA14, PTS 20, PPG 1.43

    These stats show the importance of the above paragraph. Context is everything. Dowie did have some players forced upon him but he also had a pre season and a team starting equal with the other 23 teams. Whereas Warnock had no pre season and adopted a team who had just lost 6 of the last 7 matches. Dowie had Blackstock, Warnock had Simpson. De Canio had Buzsaky, Sousa had Routledge but other than Dowie also having Buzsaky none of the other managers had the other players. So once again a comparison is possible but there are key factors which makes one managers record better than anothers.

    The alarming stat in all of this is the goals for category. We've had the likes of Blackstock, De Carmine, Agyemang, Vine, Simpson, Taraabt etc and other than De Canio all of the other managers have struggled in getting us to score. De Canio's lower points per game ratio is due his inability in keeping clean sheets. No point scoring 2 if you are going to let in 3. All of the managers including Dowie ended with a PPG under the ratio required to finish in the top 6 despite where the were when their reign ended or how they did when they tookover during a season. The average PPG required for a top 6 finish for the last 5 seasons is 1.608 - Dowie's average would have meant although we were in the top 6 during his time we would have still finished 5 points off 6th place. All other managers records have to date been worse than this and none of them would have even been close to a top 6 finish.

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    Interesting read
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    • #3
      good read mate, thanks.

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      • #4
        cheers sirpiechucker.. just though would be interesting to find out the stats under the managers. i mean its clearly obvious where our problems are.

        im assuming also by warnocks stats that maybe we will be a team hard to score against but also will find it hard to score.
        Last edited by QPR1234; 19-07-2010, 10:44 PM.
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        • #5
          Since De Canio's first match we've played 126 league matches and have scored just 150 goals. Cardiff have scored 181 in the same period. Even Palace have scored 145 during this time. Goals win matches and matches win Championships.

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          • #6
            Sirpie it would be a good idea to email the club a copy of these stats.

            It might highlight to them that we need a decent striker as the last decent striker we had was Paul Furlong about 5 years ago.
            I played sunday league football today.

            Clearly I was the best player on the pitch.

            I scored 5 and made 7 last ditch tackles.

            We lost 5-0 but the rest of my team were sh it!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WeAreQPR12 View Post
              Sirpie it would be a good idea to email the club a copy of these stats.

              It might highlight to them that we need a decent striker as the last decent striker we had was Paul Furlong about 5 years ago.
              in a slight fairness to the club, blackstock and vine both when signed was seen as that 'quality' goalscorer we crave. however it says alot considering who we have had since the money men came in. i mean blackstock was signed pre-briatore.

              also i believe fans and board need to realise with the exception of hart/harford era. changing managers when in a sticky patch wont do anything good for us.

              i pray come january warnock is still manager and by june we have given the manager the chance we need to give in order to get out of this mess.
              Last edited by QPR1234; 20-07-2010, 10:26 AM.
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              • #8
                blackstock is pants mate. Most of forest goals came from Earnshaw.

                Blackstock scored 12 goals in a rampant forest side and 3 of those were penaltys.

                Like I say last decent strikers were Furlong and Gallen.
                I played sunday league football today.

                Clearly I was the best player on the pitch.

                I scored 5 and made 7 last ditch tackles.

                We lost 5-0 but the rest of my team were sh it!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WeAreQPR12 View Post
                  blackstock is pants mate. Most of forest goals came from Earnshaw.

                  Blackstock scored 12 goals in a rampant forest side and 3 of those were penaltys.

                  Like I say last decent strikers were Furlong and Gallen.
                  i didnt particularly rate blackstock.. what im saying was before he came to us and same goes for vine after successful loan period.. we saw those two only as our 'quality striker' apart from them two i dont remember us being excited over any other striker.
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                  • #10
                    All much of a muchness really apart from the Harford debacle.

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                    • #11
                      Think it quite clearly outlines where the team needs strengthening. We need a goal scorer if we want to even attempt to compete with the top 6 this year!

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                      • #12
                        PPG = Points Per Game

                        De Canio - P34, W12, D11, L11, GF50, GA 45, PTS 47, PPG 1.38

                        Dowie - P12, W5, D3, L4, GF13, GA12, PTS 18, PPG 1.50

                        Sousa - P23, W7, D11, L5, GF22, GA19, PTS 32, PPG 1.39

                        Magilton - P20, W7, D7, L6, GF33, GA29, PTS 28, PPG 1.40

                        After Magilton & Before Warnock - P12, W2, D3, L7, GF10, GA22, PTS 9, PPG 0.75

                        Warnock - P14, W5, D5, L4, GF15, GA14, PTS 20, PPG 1.43


                        All very close stats Sirpie but interesting nonetheless
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nodge70 View Post
                          All much of a muchness really apart from the Harford debacle.
                          Completely. It will be interesting to see how Warnock does with his team as opposed to half a dozen other managers team plus a pre season.

                          One thing where he struggled and everyone else before him was in the goals department. We may have looked like scoring plenty since he started but in truth we've barely managed a goal a game.

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                          • #14
                            Always interesting to see these kind of stats.
                            I'm hoping that a pre-season, a mix of his own hard workers a la Derry and our play makers, Faurlin/Buzz etc and of course a distinct lack of a mass of pointless loan signings will improve Warnock's stats to the required level - then and only then can we really judge his stats by comparison?
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