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  • How many players will we sign before the end of August?

    I think this will be a very busy summer. My best guess is that we will sign 13 players (not counting signings for the development team).

    This is based on following assumptions:

    1. We will have roughly the same squad size in 24/25 as in 23/24
    2. Our FFP situation is much improved, so we have good room for player investments
    3. Eze might be sold and generate £12m from the release clause of £60m (20%), but I have not factored it in
    4. Begovic and Willock will stay
    5. JCS, Chair and Armstrong will be sold
    6. I think we will be open to sell Dykes and Frey but I assume they will stay as they won't receive a lot of interest.
    7. Kolli, Larkeche, Walsh, Mahoney and Kelman will go on a season long loan (or half a season in the case of Kolli and Larkeche)
    8. I cannot see anyone from the development team being promoted yet, but I hope I am wrong, and that there is quality there that I am not aware of (Talla?)

    JCS and Chair will be sold because they have just two years left of their contract. We will part with them to get the full value, rather than running into a BOS/Manning situation. I suppose they are worth around £6m each (provided Chair's legal situation is sorted in line with recent information). Armstrong will be sold as he has not agreed to a new contract and his present contract ends in 12 months. I suppose he will command £1-3m (I see some quotes much higher figures).

    As we are in a better financial position, and can afford to strengthen the squad, we will loan out young fringe players to give them more experience (as we successfully did for Eze and Chair). Kelman will be loaned out (or available on a free transfer) as he is likely not in Martis plans.

    If so, we will lose 15 players:

    These are the seven players we have released (Dozzell, Kakay, Adomah, Drewe, Archer, Duke-McKenna, Gubbins), the three players I assume we will sell (JCS, Chair and Armstrong) plus the five we might loan out. We might correct for Mahoney, Gubbins and Kelman that were out on loan for large spells also last season, and get to 12 in stead of 15.

    I think we will replace with:

    1 keeper
    2 central defenders
    1 left back
    1 right back
    3 midfielders
    3 attacking players (number ten position and wingers)
    2 strikers

    I think we will cast our net much wider under Nourry, so I expect at least half of these to be from abroad. I think the overall spending, provided we sell the three mentioned players, will be £15-20m. If we for some reasons do not sell Chair or JCS, the spending will obviously be less, but I think it might still be as much as £10m, even in the case we do not benefit from any transfer of Eze. We have financial freedom to spend more if we want.

    If this is indeed right, Nourry and Marti will be exceptionally busy. As we are hardly a top 200 club in Europe, we are not everyone's first choice, so I think we have to accept that a lot of business will be done just before the end of the transfer window. We are also in need of holding back some of the spending until we know the outcome of the situation of Eze, JCS and Chair.

  • #2
    Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
    I think this will be a very busy summer. My best guess is that we will sign 13 players (not counting signings for the development team).

    This is based on following assumptions:

    1. We will have roughly the same squad size in 24/25 as in 23/24
    2. Our FFP situation is much improved, so we have good room for player investments
    3. Eze might be sold and generate £12m from the release clause of £60m (20%), but I have not factored it in
    4. Begovic and Willock will stay
    5. JCS, Chair and Armstrong will be sold
    6. I think we will be open to sell Dykes and Frey but I assume they will stay as they won't receive a lot of interest.
    7. Kolli, Larkeche, Walsh, Mahoney and Kelman will go on a season long loan (or half a season in the case of Kolli and Larkeche)
    8. I cannot see anyone from the development team being promoted yet, but I hope I am wrong, and that there is quality there that I am not aware of (Talla?)

    JCS and Chair will be sold because they have just two years left of their contract. We will part with them to get the full value, rather than running into a BOS/Manning situation. I suppose they are worth around £6m each (provided Chair's legal situation is sorted in line with recent information). Armstrong will be sold as he has not agreed to a new contract and his present contract ends in 12 months. I suppose he will command £1-3m (I see some quotes much higher figures).

    As we are in a better financial position, and can afford to strengthen the squad, we will loan out young fringe players to give them more experience (as we successfully did for Eze and Chair). Kelman will be loaned out (or available on a free transfer) as he is likely not in Martis plans.

    If so, we will lose 15 players:

    These are the seven players we have released (Dozzell, Kakay, Adomah, Drewe, Archer, Duke-McKenna, Gubbins), the three players I assume we will sell (JCS, Chair and Armstrong) plus the five we might loan out. We might correct for Mahoney, Gubbins and Kelman that were out on loan for large spells also last season, and get to 12 in stead of 15.

    I think we will replace with:

    1 keeper
    2 central defenders
    1 left back
    1 right back
    3 midfielders
    3 attacking players (number ten position and wingers)
    2 strikers

    I think we will cast our net much wider under Nourry, so I expect at least half of these to be from abroad. I think the overall spending, provided we sell the three mentioned players, will be £15-20m. If we for some reasons do not sell Chair or JCS, the spending will obviously be less, but I think it might still be as much as £10m, even in the case we do not benefit from any transfer of Eze. We have financial freedom to spend more if we want.

    If this is indeed right, Nourry and Marti will be exceptionally busy. As we are hardly a top 200 club in Europe, we are not everyone's first choice, so I think we have to accept that a lot of business will be done just before the end of the transfer window. We are also in need of holding back some of the spending until we know the outcome of the situation of Eze, JCS and Chair.
    I know we can't bank on Eze's sell on money but it has been quoted as £60 million PLUS £8 million in add ons so maybe more than £12 million coming our way in the long term.

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    • #3
      We have nineteen 1st team players under contract next season. Not including Willock or Bergovic. IMO, first team squad around 24 players should be our aim. Two reasons.

      Firstly, room for development squad players to step up.

      Secondly, 1st team players see opportunities to play during season. 3rd choice player in a position probably won't play single game.

      My view, we're looking for five players. We'd replace any sold.

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      • #4
        Why are we not in the top 200 clubs in Europe?
        I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Isleworth116 View Post
          We have nineteen 1st team players under contract next season. Not including Willock or Bergovic. IMO, first team squad around 24 players should be our aim. Two reasons.

          Firstly, room for development squad players to step up.

          Secondly, 1st team players see opportunities to play during season. 3rd choice player in a position probably won't play single game.

          My view, we're looking for five players. We'd replace any sold.
          I come to exactly the same conclusion when it comes to squad size (24). If we take the mentioned contracted first team players (19), add my proposed number of new signings (13), delete the players that could be sold (3) and players sent out on loan (5), I also get to 24 as the effective squad size.

          The difference of your and mine proposal is the use of the loan market for young players that might benefit from getting regular game time elsewhere.

          If we sign just five new players, plus replace any departing ones, we could not send a single player out on loan if we want to maintain a squad of 24. I think players such as Kolli, Walsh etc would benefit from a loan. They will come back much better, i.e., Eze and Chair.

          Many will find 24 to be on the edge. If you have six injured or suspended players, which is not uncommon (including Richard Taylor!), you will have 18 players to choose from, meaning 11 to start and 7 on the bench. It is tight. But I buy into the ideas of a small squad, for your mentioned reasons, hence my proposal of just 13 signings, given that we send 5 out on loan.

          The proposed number of 13 signings include any incoming loan signings.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cross it Dave View Post
            Why are we not in the top 200 clubs in Europe?
            Exactly - The Chamionship is the fourth biggest league in Europe

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cross it Dave View Post
              Why are we not in the top 200 clubs in Europe?
              There are numerous sites that rank European clubs. It is obviously not an exact science, which is best illustrated by the vastly different outcome of these rankings.

              Of the many rankings I have found, the highest we rank is 295. It does not mean that I agree with this ranking, but I think it is a tough statement to claim we are a top 200 club. We are number 38 in England/Wales, based on the recent season. Most, if not all, of the clubs of the top divisions in Germany, Spain, Italy and France rank above us. That brings us to 120 at best, if there were no other leagues in Europe. However, there are many better teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Romania and Ukraine than us, and a few from Denmark, Norway, Scotland, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Moldova and even Cyprus might also rank higher, and Russia if you still count it as Europe. Some of the better teams from the German and Italian second tier might also be on par with us. So I find it very unlikely we are top 200. But we are certainly top 300.

              Here are some of the rankings:

              Europe Football / Soccer Clubs Ranking - FootballDatabase

              European football team ranking (eurotopteam.com)

              Club coefficients | UEFA rankings | UEFA.com

              Latest Ranking - Euro Club Index

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              • #8
                In the first one we are below Shamrock Rovers and Londonderry City, laughable
                I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post

                  Exactly - The Chamionship is the fourth biggest league in Europe
                  Last season the Championship was the 2nd best supported league in Europe., I would put us around 100-120.
                  I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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                  • #10
                    Transfermarkt is a respected site. They rank teams by player value. Based on this ranking we are well outside top 200.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cross it Dave View Post

                      Last season the Championship was the 2nd best supported league in Europe., I would put us around 100-120.
                      Really???
                      I would have thought it would be the Prem, Germany, Spain and the Championship?

                      But let's just say out of those four Leagues there are 85 treams. I accept that there are bigger clubs than us across Europe, let's say the top 7 of the other weaker Leagues. That's another 84 teams, say 170 in total. Even being more generous we have to be 180-200 in Europe

                      Are we really saying we're worse than the 7th placed teams in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Ffs most of these teams struggle to get 14,000 fans through the door. The Leagues in Hungry, Latvia etc........FFS

                      We're in top 200 for sure, but the last few seasons of struggle may have clouded opinion.

                      I will never be convinced that Kilmarnock who finished 4th in Scottish Premier League would beat us!!!

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                      • #12
                        I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
                          Transfermarkt is a respected site. They rank teams by player value. Based on this ranking we are well outside top 200.
                          Why not use property value? Loftus Rd is worth a lot more than a #### hole in most of Europe.

                          And what about turnover.

                          Sivasspor, a Turkish club are above us, they play in front of 4,000, we get more in the Loft.
                          I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cross it Dave View Post

                            Last season the Championship was the 2nd best supported league in Europe., I would put us around 100-120.
                            This is the average attendances of the five best supported European leagues (latest data from 22/23):

                            1. Bundesliga: 42.992
                            2. Premier League: 40.236
                            3. La Liga: 29.584
                            4. Serie A: 29.537
                            5. Ligue 1: 23.708

                            If the Championship would be the second best supported league in Europe we had to attract more attendance than the Premier League.
                            The average of the Championship was 18.787, so considerably behind the bigger leagues.

                            I cannot find a ranking of attendances of European clubs. But the world wide ranking of attendance shows that QPR ranks 290 according to Transfermarkt:

                            International attendance ranking | Transfermarkt


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by QPROslo View Post

                              This is the average attendances of the five best supported European leagues (latest data from 22/23):

                              1. Bundesliga: 42.992
                              2. Premier League: 40.236
                              3. La Liga: 29.584
                              4. Serie A: 29.537
                              5. Ligue 1: 23.708

                              If the Championship would be the second best supported league in Europe we had to attract more attendance than the Premier League.
                              The average of the Championship was 18.787, so considerably behind the bigger leagues.

                              I cannot find a ranking of attendances of European clubs. But the world wide ranking of attendance shows that QPR ranks 290 according to Transfermarkt:

                              International attendance ranking | Transfermarkt

                              And TV revenue..........and some of those leagues are very cheap to buy tickets.

                              By budget we'd be in the top 200

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