Major news - new QPR minority owner

[knocker]

Can he play striker?

[SheepRanger]

Just a basic check confirms that Man City and West Ham rent their grounds from their local councils.

Arsenal football club is owned by Kroenke Sports & Entertainment but the stadium is owned by Arsensl Holding Ltd.

[davieqpr]

There must be a tax loophole somewhere because it is very hard to find a professional team who doesn't have one or two different companies owning the ground and freehold.

[MINCER]

Even if our owners put up £300m to build a new stadium I would be amazed if it fell under the same legal structure as football operations. And in reality would be no different to the current situation.

If the current owners decided to sell the club I would imagine it would be very difficult to find a buyer without the ownership of the ground being part of the deal ?

If we upped sticks and moved to a leased stadium and the owners decided to call it a day wouldn’t the club be in real danger of folding ?

[SheepRanger]

Fair play You have answered my questions as best you can Sheep but I’m still uneasy on the thought of leaving KPS to perhaps lease another

Even if our owners put up £300m to build a new stadium I would be amazed if it fell under the same legal structure as football operations. And in reality would be no different to the current situation.

[MINCER]

Fair play You have answered my questions as best you can Sheep but I’m still uneasy on the thought of leaving KPS to perhaps lease another

[SheepRanger]

Perhaps I’m being naive but why would the owners transfer ownership of the ground to a separate company and deduct rent from the clubs finances ?

So they can keep the land if the football side goes belly up, or it protects the stadium for longterm football use if the football side goes bust? There may be accountancy benefits from separating the two as well?

I doubt there are many football clubs who have new grounds that are under the same umbrella as the football club. Investors may be keen to invest in a multi-purpose stadium who wouldnt want anything to do with investing in a football team...

From memory the Coventry situation happened because the same rent was due even when they went down the leagues. They wanted reduced rent which could be increased as they bounced back. I think its normal too that stadium owners get the profits from food and drink sales too.

[MINCER]

Yes, there is a covenant and a former director Nick de Marco tried and failed to get it removed through his legal firm. I'm quite happy at the KPFS but I'm only 5"7' and sit with relative comfort. Others cant wait to leave. My point is that through company structures the football club is already renting the ground to a seperate company owned by our directors.

Perhaps I’m being naive but why would the owners transfer ownership of the ground to a separate company and deduct rent from the clubs finances ?

[LoftusRoadLad]

He might do a runner after todays result !!

[SheepRanger]

I could be wrong but isn’t there a “covenent” on the ground preventing it being used other than a sports area unless legal agreements are met with the local council ?

Would you have no concerns that a similar scenario to the problems that Coventry City faced when leasing ?

Yes, there is a covenant and a former director Nick de Marco tried and failed to get it removed through his legal firm. I'm quite happy at the KPFS but I'm only 5"7' and sit with relative comfort. Others cant wait to leave. My point is that through company structures the football club is already renting the ground to a seperate company owned by our directors.

[MINCER]

Do we down the stadium now?

The football side is own by QPR Holdings Ltd and the Stadium is owned by Queens Park Rangers Football & Athletic Club Ltd. Even though the directors are similar legally they are very seperare. If the footbsll club went into administration our owners would still walk away with the ground.

I could be wrong but isn’t there a “covenent” on the ground preventing it being used other than a sports area unless legal agreements are met with the local council ?

Would you have no concerns that a similar scenario to the problems that Coventry City faced when leasing ?

[SheepRanger]

The idea that we lose our current Stadium to then move into one that is leased fills me with unease.

Despite the general view that puts out that a new Stadium will make the club self sufficient it’s Premiership money in our case that could achieve that imo.

If this new board member can open up links to promising players in the MLS I would happy.

Do we down the stadium now?

The football side is own by QPR Holdings Ltd and the Stadium is owned by Queens Park Rangers Football & Athletic Club Ltd. Even though the directors are similar legally they are very seperare. If the footbsll club went into administration our owners would still walk away with the ground.

[MINCER]

The idea that we lose our current Stadium to then move into one that is leased fills me with unease.

Despite the general view that puts out that a new Stadium will make the club self sufficient it’s Premiership money in our case that could achieve that imo.

If this new board member can open up links to promising players in the MLS I would happy.

[SheepRanger]

A new stadium ? Where

LC Stadium? Didnt the council say they wont give away land on the cheap to overseas multi-millionaire? Perhaps this is a step in getting a consortium together to build a multi-purpose use ground. One option we put together was that we would lease the ground once built by developers. Its looks like a step towards a new stadium.

[superhoop67]

Very interesting development and we'l have to see what comes of it. The appointment in itself shows the Board want to grow the business further. With his financial background I'm sure he'll be involved in financing of a new stadium.

A new stadium ? Where