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Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
I cant say the chief was any better than Leisner. Seem pretty similar to me and cheaper.
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barbet good on ball but gives away a pen/ makes an error leading directly to a goal every game. JN
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Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
I cant say the chief was any better than Leisner. Seem pretty similar to me and cheaper.
Ned had a good partnership with Dunne but as an individual CB, I'd take the BFG over Onuha every time.
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Originally posted by Undecided View Post
Perhaps you should have persevered, there was a lot of sense in the rest of the post. Also, I recall a great outpouring of grief amongst many when Nedum was let go, but then my memory isn't what it was once.
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Originally posted by WeAreQPR12 View Post
Gave up at the bit where you rated nedum. Shows a lack of footballing knowledge unfortunately
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Originally posted by WeAreQPR12 View Post
Gave up at the bit where you rated nedum. Shows a lack of footballing knowledge unfortunately
Ollie was clearly great with us second time around. See my previous post about losing runs etc. I am sure had we kept him we would be at least as well off as we are now ...
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Originally posted by FurtiveFox View Post
I doubt we will ever agree on Ollie. Loved his first spell with us, loathed his second. Yes forwards were poor but you could argue he had Smithies in goal and players in defence like Chief and Robinson. In fact at that point Sylla was fairly highly rated at this level. It was the way he set up the team with that awful system for months on end with wing backs when we didn't have any wing backs until someone said or did something and forced a change. Mainly that system looked carp so it was chuck Smith on and long ball bit hoping for the best. The way sometimes players just looked confused as what they were meant to be doing. His weird outbursts and comments at times. Says a lot that he left over a season ago, touted his availability and has got nowhere management wise. 11 months between away wins at one stage. Those six game losing runs. Almost relegating us in his first season from a position of safety. I really don't see how he could have been much worse.
The players Ollie brought through ... Manning who then faded quite quickly. Eze had a mini run after changes had been made to style of play mainly so whether that was down to him don't know. Odd appearances for likes of Shopido and Oteh. Smyth started a small number of games then faded. Think Chair may have played once in a Cup? I just don't see him as a champion of youth. That is history reinventing itself.
Agree dressing room better and partly down to deadwood gone on nice contracts but some of that is down to the player recruitment which from the outside looks like a combination of MW and Sir Les.
Regardless of views on previous managers things looking good for first time in Uncle's reign (ok Amit now!) so hope he is enjoying it as much as me!
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Originally posted by Dono77 View Post
He's just back from being sent off 2 games ago. Hardly getting better then. Have to agree to disagree on this one Croydon.
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Originally posted by Dono77 View Post
He's just back from being sent off 2 games ago. Hardly getting better then. Have to agree to disagree on this one Croydon.
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Originally posted by FurtiveFox View Post
I doubt we will ever agree on Ollie. Loved his first spell with us, loathed his second. Yes forwards were poor but you could argue he had Smithies in goal and players in defence like Chief and Robinson. In fact at that point Sylla was fairly highly rated at this level. It was the way he set up the team with that awful system for months on end with wing backs when we didn't have any wing backs until someone said or did something and forced a change. Mainly that system looked carp so it was chuck Smith on and long ball bit hoping for the best. The way sometimes players just looked confused as what they were meant to be doing. His weird outbursts and comments at times. Says a lot that he left over a season ago, touted his availability and has got nowhere management wise. 11 months between away wins at one stage. Those six game losing runs. Almost relegating us in his first season from a position of safety. I really don't see how he could have been much worse.
The players Ollie brought through ... Manning who then faded quite quickly. Eze had a mini run after changes had been made to style of play mainly so whether that was down to him don't know. Odd appearances for likes of Shopido and Oteh. Smyth started a small number of games then faded. Think Chair may have played once in a Cup? I just don't see him as a champion of youth. That is history reinventing itself.
Agree dressing room better and partly down to deadwood gone on nice contracts but some of that is down to the player recruitment which from the outside looks like a combination of MW and Sir Les.
Regardless of views on previous managers things looking good for first time in Uncle's reign (ok Amit now!) so hope he is enjoying it as much as me!
I don't want to highjack this thread to start another Olly debate.
We are playing well under MW and I'm loving it. Hopefully, I'lI get to see us live this season shortly having only seen the Oxford friendly. Away to Leeds and home to Boro are pencilled in.
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Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
I'm not disagreeing with, I understand the view. But under Olly we had Washy and Smith up front. The former couldnt score with the ball on the deck so you play to what you have, ip to the big man. There was a bad smell around the place and players who didnt want to play and therefore had no desire when the chips were down. They were on expensive contracts and wouldnt move, do financially there wasnt much Olly could do.
MW is doing fantastically well, the players he and Les have brought in are dojng well, and young players are now maturing into first team regulars.
Let's praise MW, but I'd rather not rubbish Olly who had a pretty sh1tty hand to play with. He kept us up, blooded 19 yrs old youngsters and the club worked out the deadwood as best they could.
All have played their part in some way or another.
The players Ollie brought through ... Manning who then faded quite quickly. Eze had a mini run after changes had been made to style of play mainly so whether that was down to him don't know. Odd appearances for likes of Shopido and Oteh. Smyth started a small number of games then faded. Think Chair may have played once in a Cup? I just don't see him as a champion of youth. That is history reinventing itself.
Agree dressing room better and partly down to deadwood gone on nice contracts but some of that is down to the player recruitment which from the outside looks like a combination of MW and Sir Les.
Regardless of views on previous managers things looking good for first time in Uncle's reign (ok Amit now!) so hope he is enjoying it as much as me!
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Originally posted by FurtiveFox View Post
Is early doors but can compare. Style of play far more defined than under previous managers. Not saying it's perfect as evidenced by our lack of clean sheets but there seems a clear plan, some flexibility where needed and not afraid to change personnel around a bit.
Under SM as soon as things went sour was like a rabbit in headlights and team lost confidence quickly. Ollie no real plan. Team in the main set up poorly then whack Matt Smith on and launch balls at him. JFH no better. In fact nobody has done anything much manager wise since Warnock. All been a disappointment.
Do agree on deadwood leaving making a difference. Decks cleared for MW but have to say our summer recruitment was outstanding. Youngsters also doing well under him mainly. Nice to see Chair and Manning as regulars. Eze so far so good.
MW is doing fantastically well, the players he and Les have brought in are dojng well, and young players are now maturing into first team regulars.
Let's praise MW, but I'd rather not rubbish Olly who had a pretty sh1tty hand to play with. He kept us up, blooded 19 yrs old youngsters and the club worked out the deadwood as best they could.
All have played their part in some way or another.
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Originally posted by Mem View PostOur bad form last year coincided with long term injuries to Angel, Cameron, Hemed and Luongo not available
It’s as simple as that in my view. We didn’t have the back up to cope without 4 key players
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