Meritocracy or Positive Discrimination?

[Hertford Hoop]

Yes. I have coached a Girls U-18 team for a season and a half.

Were you successful? I coached a team my son played for from under 8 to under 17, much harder than you think but enjoyable

[acricketer]

You've got to look after your mates first.

[lymehoop]

Bit of a silly poll Stan! Who's going to vote for positive discrimination, which is basically another form of discrimination? Of course my guess is this is politically motivated, but aren't the denizens of WATRB whipped into enough of a frenzy already, what with old men posing as kids on buses and Jimmy Floyd Hassleplank's bizarre selections?! What's the point of stirring it up even more? (Think you're a great poster though, just find this one a bit odd mate)

The BBC

[Geng]

Meritocracy already involves positive discrimination though. You can't escape background biases that people hold really deeply. Or do we think that the most talented people randomly keep being rich, white, straight men? Of course not, but in a "meritocracy" that's who ends up ruling, as the playing field isn't level.

[brightonr]

Meritocracy already involves positive discrimination though. You can't escape background biases that people hold really deeply. Or do we think that the most talented people randomly keep being rich, white, straight men? Of course not, but in a "meritocracy" that's who ends up ruling, as the playing field isn't level.

You don't half talk some rot.

[Shania]

Were you successful? I coached a team my son played for from under 8 to under 17, much harder than you think but enjoyable

Nah, They thought I stressed the physical part of the game too much.. Too much running..

[acricketer]

If you're good then so are your mates. Makes sense unless you have a Napoleon complex!

[Tarbie]

Meritocracy already involves positive discrimination though. You can't escape background biases that people hold really deeply. Or do we think that the most talented people randomly keep being rich, white, straight men? Of course not, but in a "meritocracy" that's who ends up ruling, as the playing field isn't level.

People by nature will always trust previous experience and trust what they know to some extent. Tell me if you were hiring for somebody and they turned out to be from your home town or also a QPR fan, or you had something else significant in common with them you can honestly say you wouldn't favour them a bit? It's human nature, people trust what they know and are drawn to other people with similar backgrounds, likes and dislikes etc.

Whether the above accounts for "rich, white, straight men" as you put, having an unfair advantage. Well for starters, I really don't know if I agree with that in this day and age and secondly that is far bigger argument that I wouldn't go anywhere near!

[Kirill]

Nah, They thought I stressed the physical part of the game too much.. Too much running..

Kids are so lazy nowadays.
I'd definitely hire you to
keep my hamster fit

[hal9thou]

Or do we think that the most talented people randomly keep being rich, white, straight men?

Not so sure about the straight bit....... not so sure about white bit either, close to home look at the Mittal family, or TF's, or the increasing % of afro american millionaires..... or Chinese $ billionaires..... Money creates its own meritocracy, it is too powerful to be consigned to naive sociological stereotyping.

[Stanley]

Fresh call for 'Rooney Rule' after Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink sacking leaves three BAME

Chris Hughton Keith Curle and now Marcus Bignot are the BAME bosses across the 92 clubs and the FA and Premier League are being urged to follow the EFL's lead. The FA and Premier League have been urged to bring in a 'Rooney Rule' for coaching jobs with the England teams and at top-flight clubs.

The Sports People's Think Tank (SPTT) want the authorities to follow the English Football League (EFL) by introducing proposals to increase the number of black and ethnic minority coaches.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...after-9266177?

[Kevin Mcleod]

The matter was on the ITV news at ten last night.

[latdeny]

Personally, I can only value a meritocractic system, because positive discrimination almost always ends up discriminating against more competent people because they do not belong to a minority group, or are not female.

This happens all the more that quotas are proportionally too high compared to the actual size of the minority protected.

It should not be forgotten that many ethnic immigrants to Europe come from societies with lower educational levels, and most of the economic immigrants nowadays are relatively poorly skilled and educated, even by the standards of their country of origin.

We know that children from poor families or immigrant families both experience more difficulties at school, because their family background does not encourage enough intellectual curiosity, or because the official language of education is not their language at home.

Under such circumstances it would be a grave mistake to assume that if those immigrants make up 5% of the population, they should have quotas of 5% of the most competitive jobs at the government or as cadres in companies. Such a system can only be harmful to the efficiency of the country's government and companies.

Regarding positive discrimination for gender equality, it is also vital for any country's health to understand the psychological differences between men and women. Some jobs are better suited for men, others more for women, while some are almost equally suitable for either. This is why it would be a mistake to assign 50-50 quotas for jobs better suited for one gender. It could even be disastrous. Try comparing the efficiency of a team of secretaries with only female staff to one with only male staff. The former will normally perform much better. Make it a team of taxi drivers and the performances will be inverted.

Theoretically, gender quotas shouldn't be a problems in an elected parliament, where members so not get the job based on tests, experience or paper competence, but are elected by the population. However, I would prefer a system where any candidate politician should first past a test of competence before standing for election, so as to introduce meritocracy in politics as well, even combined with gender quotas.

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