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  • #46
    Never too old for an autograph Westy!!

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    • #47
      It's never his fault, it's never his fault, he's Ian Holloway, it's never his fault. (With thanks to Man Utd)

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      • #48
        If we were in the relegation zone I would understand peoples frustrations. However, football is about results and Holloway does better than most of us predicted before the start of the season, Actually, a number of fans expected us to go right down, given the fact we spent mickey mouse money during the summer transfer window. These fans must be over the moon with where we are at the moment, sitting pretty ten points above the drop zone. However, they rather call for Holloway's head. There is no logic to it and I really struggle to understand why they want to get rid of a person that they believe are overachieving in terms of points.

        We cannot just keep sacking one manager per year and start all over again every year and expect this to give success. Most successful teams have continuity in terms of manager and backroom staff. Most unsuccessful teams keep changing again and again.

        I would rather like us to build on what we have. With limited financial resources I think we do pretty well. We identify and sign good seasoned pros at a bargain (Freeman, Scowen, Baptiste, Smith) and find talented young gems (Smyth, Chair, BOS, Oteh) and develop some of our own (Eze, Furlong). We have got in place a better development and scouting system. This is down to Ferdinand. In Hoos I believe we have a very good CEO. Holloway, Birch, Ferdinand, Hoos and Tony seem to bond well and operate as a team. That's important.

        We clearly have issues we need to address. Holloway said before the season started that he would pick a system he believed in and stick to it for the entire season. He has kept his promises. However, when he and his team evaluate the wing back system (352) at the end of the season I am convinced they will either ditch it or acquire players that fit the system for the coming season. They might have quite a number of potential new wing backs identified already. Many other teams play 352 and find it to work. I believe we will eventually get it to work as well, but only with new additions.

        There is a vacancy after this coach left for Middelsbrough. I would rater we signed a great new coach that could complement Holloway. I would go for an experienced, tactically strong coach - like McLaren, if possible.

        However, my major point is: We are ahead of where most of us expected us to be. Holloway needs to get credit for this. He isn't great, but he is doing fine and I want some stability for a change. It think this will serve us best in the long run. With the young talents coming through and 3-4 new signings I think we will find ourselves in the upper half next season and I will be happy with that, given the financial situation.

        Finally, I sometimes find the abuse Holloway gets at this message board (and during some matches) pathetic. I am also frustrated with this wing back system, but it is no reasons to use the sort of language I see every now and then, given the fact we seem to grind out results quite often. If Holloway gets enough and vents his frustration I would actually forgive him. Taking this much abuse, I would surely not always manage to keep quiet, whether I was a representative of the club or not. It is simply human.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
          If we were in the relegation zone I would understand peoples frustrations. However, football is about results and Holloway does better than most of us predicted before the start of the season, Actually, a number of fans expected us to go right down, given the fact we spent mickey mouse money during the summer transfer window. These fans must be over the moon with where we are at the moment, sitting pretty ten points above the drop zone. However, they rather call for Holloway's head. There is no logic to it and I really struggle to understand why they want to get rid of a person that they believe are overachieving in terms of points.

          We cannot just keep sacking one manager per year and start all over again every year and expect this to give success. Most successful teams have continuity in terms of manager and backroom staff. Most unsuccessful teams keep changing again and again.

          I would rather like us to build on what we have. With limited financial resources I think we do pretty well. We identify and sign good seasoned pros at a bargain (Freeman, Scowen, Baptiste, Smith) and find talented young gems (Smyth, Chair, BOS, Oteh) and develop some of our own (Eze, Furlong). We have got in place a better development and scouting system. This is down to Ferdinand. In Hoos I believe we have a very good CEO. Holloway, Birch, Ferdinand, Hoos and Tony seem to bond well and operate as a team. That's important.

          We clearly have issues we need to address. Holloway said before the season started that he would pick a system he believed in and stick to it for the entire season. He has kept his promises. However, when he and his team evaluate the wing back system (352) at the end of the season I am convinced they will either ditch it or acquire players that fit the system for the coming season. They might have quite a number of potential new wing backs identified already. Many other teams play 352 and find it to work. I believe we will eventually get it to work as well, but only with new additions.

          There is a vacancy after this coach left for Middelsbrough. I would rater we signed a great new coach that could complement Holloway. I would go for an experienced, tactically strong coach - like McLaren, if possible.

          However, my major point is: We are ahead of where most of us expected us to be. Holloway needs to get credit for this. He isn't great, but he is doing fine and I want some stability for a change. It think this will serve us best in the long run. With the young talents coming through and 3-4 new signings I think we will find ourselves in the upper half next season and I will be happy with that, given the financial situation.

          Finally, I sometimes find the abuse Holloway gets at this message board (and during some matches) pathetic. I am also frustrated with this wing back system, but it is no reasons to use the sort of language I see every now and then, given the fact we seem to grind out results quite often. If Holloway gets enough and vents his frustration I would actually forgive him. Taking this much abuse, I would surely not always manage to keep quiet, whether I was a representative of the club or not. It is simply human.
          holloway is a fruitcake , that won't change his style of play even tho it doesn't work for him

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          • #50
            Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
            when he and his team evaluate the wing back system (352) at the end of the season I am convinced they will either ditch it or acquire players that fit the system for the coming season.
            Why wait until the end of the season to do that? When it was obvious to most that the system wasn't working within the first three months of the season, why not change it then instead of wasting an entire season obstinately sticking with a system that you simply do not possess the players to carry it out? That's the only thing that makes absolutely no sense and I'm sure is the main reason for fans' frustration - and justifiably so because it wastes an entire season's progress for the club and the short career of a footballer. Honestly there is simply no rational explanation for it all, however much you try and find reasons to justify it.

            If you're really determined to play with WBs then wait until you can actually buy some before trying to shoe-horn players into that role who simply aren't capable of playing what is a very specialised position. E.g. Bidwell is never a WB in a million years, but as a FB he's more than capable at this level. Yes I agree we are probably safe from relegation this season but the frustrating thing is it really could have been sooo much better had it not been for IH's total blind-spot, which you can only put down to sheer idiocy.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by West Acton View Post
              Geezer has brought all the pressure on himself so no sympathy. You travel away midweek Lewis so least you should get is bit of respect from the manager

              I’ve lost total respect for Ollie spends most his time digging fans out when he should be digging players. Your out of your depth do us all a favour
              Just a small point. He's from a place called Lewes. His name isn't Lewis. Be good if it was though.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
                If we were in the relegation zone I would understand peoples frustrations. However, football is about results and Holloway does better than most of us predicted before the start of the season, Actually, a number of fans expected us to go right down, given the fact we spent mickey mouse money during the summer transfer window. These fans must be over the moon with where we are at the moment, sitting pretty ten points above the drop zone. However, they rather call for Holloway's head. There is no logic to it and I really struggle to understand why they want to get rid of a person that they believe are overachieving in terms of points.

                We cannot just keep sacking one manager per year and start all over again every year and expect this to give success. Most successful teams have continuity in terms of manager and backroom staff. Most unsuccessful teams keep changing again and again.

                I would rather like us to build on what we have. With limited financial resources I think we do pretty well. We identify and sign good seasoned pros at a bargain (Freeman, Scowen, Baptiste, Smith) and find talented young gems (Smyth, Chair, BOS, Oteh) and develop some of our own (Eze, Furlong). We have got in place a better development and scouting system. This is down to Ferdinand. In Hoos I believe we have a very good CEO. Holloway, Birch, Ferdinand, Hoos and Tony seem to bond well and operate as a team. That's important.

                We clearly have issues we need to address. Holloway said before the season started that he would pick a system he believed in and stick to it for the entire season. He has kept his promises. However, when he and his team evaluate the wing back system (352) at the end of the season I am convinced they will either ditch it or acquire players that fit the system for the coming season. They might have quite a number of potential new wing backs identified already. Many other teams play 352 and find it to work. I believe we will eventually get it to work as well, but only with new additions.

                There is a vacancy after this coach left for Middelsbrough. I would rater we signed a great new coach that could complement Holloway. I would go for an experienced, tactically strong coach - like McLaren, if possible.

                However, my major point is: We are ahead of where most of us expected us to be. Holloway needs to get credit for this. He isn't great, but he is doing fine and I want some stability for a change. It think this will serve us best in the long run. With the young talents coming through and 3-4 new signings I think we will find ourselves in the upper half next season and I will be happy with that, given the financial situation.

                Finally, I sometimes find the abuse Holloway gets at this message board (and during some matches) pathetic. I am also frustrated with this wing back system, but it is no reasons to use the sort of language I see every now and then, given the fact we seem to grind out results quite often. If Holloway gets enough and vents his frustration I would actually forgive him. Taking this much abuse, I would surely not always manage to keep quiet, whether I was a representative of the club or not. It is simply human.
                Seeing so much s hit week in week out, paying for it in terms of time and money, leads many of us to 'vent our frustration'. We do not 'always manage to keep quiet'. We, too, are 'human'. Especially when playing so s hit is avoidable.

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                • #53
                  He's unravelling game by game. This is not just a question of football smarts (or lack of it). It's about having all your marbles. Ollie is losing it, and as sorry as I feel for him personally, there is only one remedy. He, like Conor Washington, has got to go.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
                    If we were in the relegation zone I would understand peoples frustrations. However, football is about results and Holloway does better than most of us predicted before the start of the season, Actually, a number of fans expected us to go right down, given the fact we spent mickey mouse money during the summer transfer window. These fans must be over the moon with where we are at the moment, sitting pretty ten points above the drop zone. However, they rather call for Holloway's head. There is no logic to it and I really struggle to understand why they want to get rid of a person that they believe are overachieving in terms of points.

                    We cannot just keep sacking one manager per year and start all over again every year and expect this to give success. Most successful teams have continuity in terms of manager and backroom staff. Most unsuccessful teams keep changing again and again.

                    I would rather like us to build on what we have. With limited financial resources I think we do pretty well. We identify and sign good seasoned pros at a bargain (Freeman, Scowen, Baptiste, Smith) and find talented young gems (Smyth, Chair, BOS, Oteh) and develop some of our own (Eze, Furlong). We have got in place a better development and scouting system. This is down to Ferdinand. In Hoos I believe we have a very good CEO. Holloway, Birch, Ferdinand, Hoos and Tony seem to bond well and operate as a team. That's important.

                    We clearly have issues we need to address. Holloway said before the season started that he would pick a system he believed in and stick to it for the entire season. He has kept his promises. However, when he and his team evaluate the wing back system (352) at the end of the season I am convinced they will either ditch it or acquire players that fit the system for the coming season. They might have quite a number of potential new wing backs identified already. Many other teams play 352 and find it to work. I believe we will eventually get it to work as well, but only with new additions.

                    There is a vacancy after this coach left for Middelsbrough. I would rater we signed a great new coach that could complement Holloway. I would go for an experienced, tactically strong coach - like McLaren, if possible.

                    However, my major point is: We are ahead of where most of us expected us to be. Holloway needs to get credit for this. He isn't great, but he is doing fine and I want some stability for a change. It think this will serve us best in the long run. With the young talents coming through and 3-4 new signings I think we will find ourselves in the upper half next season and I will be happy with that, given the financial situation.

                    Finally, I sometimes find the abuse Holloway gets at this message board (and during some matches) pathetic. I am also frustrated with this wing back system, but it is no reasons to use the sort of language I see every now and then, given the fact we seem to grind out results quite often. If Holloway gets enough and vents his frustration I would actually forgive him. Taking this much abuse, I would surely not always manage to keep quiet, whether I was a representative of the club or not. It is simply human.
                    but again I must state I never went round to the players entrance or exit to dig out Holloway I went round to players entrance to get a few Sheffield Utd players autographs that I havet got and to have a wonder around the stadium as I never been there before ( yes I’m a nerd ) but more to the opening post when I spoke to olly I never abused swore or said anything digorgtry to the the team the only thing I said that was bad was I was disappointed but then like many others traveled a fair distance to watch the game. The bloke was wired and looking for a an argument in my opinion with anyone and to mis hear what I said and then go off on left me more disappointed with him then the result ( and even more annoying I left smithes gloves in a pub )

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                    • #55
                      Ok let me get this right Oslo. The fans leave early because we’re s hite and he sounds off and says we’re out of order, the fans sing silly song away as gallows humour and he sounds off and criticises, Lewes offers supportive comment and Ollie gets all lemon over and it so it seems like from your view he’s ok to have digs at will but us the fans should just toe the line, shut up in fear of upsetting him and not express any dissatisfaction.

                      Goes to show how heart felt his apology after Brentford was but I’m not surprised he is what he is and more fans are waking up to this.

                      Yes we are mid table with a competent manager we would be higher

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod View Post
                        Is Ollie more hated now than JFH was during the days we forced him out???
                        “We” forced him out? I think that is a bit of a stretch

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                        • #57
                          Don’t think stick ollie gets is any worse then JFH

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                          • #58
                            Thing is, Ollie can dish it out, but he can't take it. A football manager needs to have a bloody thick skin, it goes with the territory, and Holloway should surely know that by now.

                            As an objective analysis, Oslo's post is pretty spot on, but of course football and the emotions that go with it are far from objective. And Internet forums only magnify this. I agree some of the abuse Holloway, the board and some of the players get on here and on twitter is out of order. But Holloway does himself no favours when he acts like Lewes reports. He's a hothead, with a massive ego and IMO a bit of therapy wouldn't go amiss.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Hitman34 View Post
                              as 7s said, the bloke carries on like a prize Cant.

                              has no respect for the fans whatsoever,

                              as fars as i'm concerned, the sooner he farks off, the better.
                              hits, legit question; have you ever liked a manager? Who would you actually like? IIRC, you even hated Warnock?!
                              You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by MattyRangers View Post
                                hits, legit question; have you ever liked a manager? Who would you actually like? IIRC, you even hated Warnock?!
                                Pep at the helm and a lorry load of MDMA might just do it.
                                “He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
                                Will Danaher

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