Ollies working his magic.....

[Pinkie]

I dont see that either. How many of those playing last night will be involved at the weekend? 2 or 3 maybe?

Yeah, some of the fans are up in arms about last night, and I get it. But we must remember that we are sat 5th in the league and have been playing well. Cardiff at the weekend is so much more important than last night was ever going to be!

And the wonderful warnocks cardiff lost at home to burton aswell.

[nasser95]

The midfield trio simply could not hack it together. I have no doubt there are 3 good players there from last night but they can't play without someone who can actually control the pace better. Ollie threw that side together to give everyone a chance but there was no glue holding them together. Ariel looked disinterested, Manning looked incapable of doing anything and Chair looked isolated without movement from deep.

Put any one of those players in to replace a single player from the usual midfield of Luongo, Freeman and Scowen and I think they'll be fine, but playing 3 players with very limited experience together was never going to work out.

The only positive is that this might scare ollie into keeping the side constant as much as possible

[Tarbie]

And the wonderful warnocks cardiff lost at home to burton aswell.

And this is exactly the point. Yes, our result was a far more comprehensive defeat than Cardiff's against Burton. Net result is the same. We're both out of the cup and focused on the league again from Saturday.

The meltdown by a few on here was to be expected. But so was the result. We're always bad in the cup and that line-up last night wasn't ever going to do anything but maintain the status quo.

[Shepherds Mush]

We are not good enough a team or he as a manager to brag about doing his or our magic! Worse squad since before Warnock took charge!

Is that the Warnock squad that lost 3-1 to Port Vale at Loftus Road in the League Cup ?

[West London is Rss]

Let's not make excuses or brush it under the carpet last night just because we've won a couple of games prior to last night.

Everyone of us has the absolute right to criticise that performance last night. You shouldn't stick your head in the sand when you lose 4-1 at home no matter who it's against.
The team out last night was strong and the players were 1st team members bar 1. Getting into tit for tat with other fans as to why that performance shouldn't be heavily criticised is ridiculous. Everyone of us deserves to know what the fark that performance was last night.

We weren't at home to Port Vale, Swindon, or Rotherham... We we were at home to our rivals with a strong team out! What on earth was it all about!!

[Ginger Ninja]

Let's not make excuses or brush it under the carpet last night just because we've won a couple of games prior to last night.

Everyone of us has the absolute right to criticise that performance last night. You shouldn't stick your head in the sand when you lose 4-1 at home no matter who it's against.
The team out last night was strong and the players were 1st team members bar 1. Getting into tit for tat with other fans as to why that performance shouldn't be heavily criticised is ridiculous. Everyone of us deserves to know what the fark that performance was last night.

We weren't at home to Port Vale, Swindon, or Rotherham... We we were at home to our rivals with a strong team out! What on earth was it all about!!

10 of those 11 were second string players. Wszolek is a first teamer. Baptiste only played against Hull because Lynch was out. Second string side mate, not a first team. Still, no excuse losing by that margin at home, especially to that lot. If anything they shouldve been making more of an effort to show they want to be in the first team.
Seen a couple of posts about Manning, I noticed he moved over to the left to help out Robinson, who was farking garbage. I don't think that made his job any easier.

[luca]

To all those critisising IH:
Why not putting the blame on the players on the pitch! These are all pro-players and you can ask for a proper performance even though they are currently not first choice.
Regarding the post-match interview, of course IH backs the team, what else is he supposed to do? A manager always backs his squad...

[West London is Rss]

10 of those 11 were second string players. Wszolek is a first teamer. Baptiste only played against Hull because Lynch was out. Second string side mate, not a first team. Still, no excuse losing by that margin at home, especially to that lot. If anything they shouldve been making more of an effort to show they want to be in the first team.
Seen a couple of posts about Manning, I noticed he moved over to the left to help out Robinson, who was farking garbage. I don't think that made his job any easier.

In my eyes that's making excuses mate, those players are good enough, come on!! Brentford's side weren't full strength either...

[norfolk ranger]

A cup game under floodlights and we lose.....total shock,our record at playing midweek must be abysmal. All about the league as its only a Mickey mouse cup anyway.

[Pinkie]

To all those critisising IH:
Why not putting the blame on the players on the pitch! These are all pro-players and you can ask for a proper performance even though they are currently not first choice.
Regarding the post-match interview, of course IH backs the team, what else is he supposed to do? A manager always backs his squad...

Exactly luca, tbh whatever players were picked that are second string should of been trying there hardest to impress, thats something i dont get!

[Tarbie]

Exactly luca, tbh whatever players were picked that are second string should of been trying there hardest to impress, thats something i dont get!

I think there is just a clear lack of enthusiasm at the club (and many other clubs to be fair), when it comes to the league cup. If everyone from TF down to the U21's see it as a distraction and an unimportant competition, it will shine through on the pitch.

Quite right in what you say though. There were 7 or 8 players out there last night that had an opportunity to impress and edge closer to the starting 11, but for whatever reason didn't put a performance in!

[Pinkie]

I think there is just a clear lack of enthusiasm at the club (and many other clubs to be fair), when it comes to the league cup. If everyone from TF down to the U21's see it as a distraction and an unimportant competition, it will shine through on the pitch.

Quite right in what you say though. There were 7 or 8 players out there last night that had an opportunity to impress and edge closer to the starting 11, but for whatever reason didn't put a performance in!

Yeah i agree with you tarbie, i suppose if you have a few who cant be bothered to put 100% in it affects the whole unit in the end even if you are giving it 100%, but if i was one of them id be giving my all. But things like playing a weakened side i agree with as they should be trying there hardest, but understand taking off players like pav whos one of our most important players!

[Kevin Mcleod]

Ollie did tell everyone to not bothering going.
He made it clear there would be whole sale changes and we have the worst cup record in the whole of the football league.
Im more shocked that anybody who follows this club is shocked.

[Shepherds Mush]

The only positive is that this might scare ollie into keeping the side constant as much as possible

Or the Board into getting some decent squad players in....particularly at RB and LB

[3London]

Ollie did tell everyone to not bothering going.
He made it clear there would be whole sale changes and we have the worst cup record in the whole of the football league.
Im more shocked that anybody who follows this club is shocked.

Agreed and nobody should be shocked we show so much disregard for this competition yet keep referring to it as one of the glory points in our history.

A good cup run and a decent league finish is not too much to ask though...realistically we are not going to go up this season and it really shouldn't be the aim as the club is not ready to step back in to that world..so i think the frustration is wouldn't a decent win over the locals do more for the club..momentum..moral wise etc than a win at cardiff which on current form is unlikely.

I for one would probably take a win against brentford and a decent draw against prem competition over 3 points at cardiff (obviously i want both!).

As for the changes - yes make changes but 10! make 5 or so and have others on the bench to bring on.