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  • Originally posted by Johnnykc View Post
    Bang on vespa...as mentioned before on this thread, the tory press have been particularly vile during this process......if they hadn't spent their entire time tainting small minds who knows what might of happened....
    there be another chance to find out, because there is no way this Government can operate as it stands. I reckon another GE in October
    I must away now, I can no longer tarry
    This morning's tempest I have to cross
    I must be guided without a stumble
    Into the arms I love the most

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    • For all you Tory voters, have a read of what Peter Hitchens has to say about the election in the Daily Mail. Brief, but bloody good: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ocial-facebook

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      • "Corbyn, the man who won"

        And there was me thinking he'd come second in a two horse race.

        The Tory's election campaign was a disaster from start to finish and I don't know anyone who thinks different.

        But if you think that a supposedly costed manifesto which experts have claimed is wildly inaccurate and hidden tax increases amongst other things is a good thing, then that's up to you.

        The bribing of students is beyond irresponsible in my opinion. Listening to the radio last night, I heard that in a survey of them, when asked who had introduced tuition fees, 85% said it was the Conservatives. Just goes to show how ill informed and gullible they are. God knows how they'd react if told that the prime minister and chancellor went to state schools whilst their opposite numbers were educated privately.

        What I would say though is that politics in this country needs a good shake up as there are far too many people on both sides not fit to be representing the public. If only all parties had supported the will of the people after the referendum, then we could have been half way to a good deal by now as opposed to all the uncertainty we find ourselves in.

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        • Originally posted by brightonr View Post
          "Corbyn, the man who won"

          And there was me thinking he'd come second in a two horse race.

          The Tory's election campaign was a disaster from start to finish and I don't know anyone who thinks different.

          But if you think that a supposedly costed manifesto which experts have claimed is wildly inaccurate and hidden tax increases amongst other things is a good thing, then that's up to you.

          The bribing of students is beyond irresponsible in my opinion. Listening to the radio last night, I heard that in a survey of them, when asked who had introduced tuition fees, 85% said it was the Conservatives. Just goes to show how ill informed and gullible they are. God knows how they'd react if told that the prime minister and chancellor went to state schools whilst their opposite numbers were educated privately.

          What I would say though is that politics in this country needs a good shake up as there are far too many people on both sides not fit to be representing the public. If only all parties had supported the will of the people after the referendum, then we could have been half way to a good deal by now as opposed to all the uncertainty we find ourselves in.
          There seems to be a belief on here that everyone under 25 is a student! Corbyn gave hope to those in that age group who have only known austerity in their lives and who seem to have zero hope of ever owning their own house.Is it really any wonder they flocked to Corbyn?

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          • Originally posted by easthertsr View Post
            There seems to be a belief on here that everyone under 25 is a student! Corbyn gave hope to those in that age group who have only known austerity in their lives and who seem to have zero hope of ever owning their own house.Is it really any wonder they flocked to Corbyn?
            Obviously they aren't and not sure anybody has said that.

            In my opinion mate, the one situation that is more responsible for how things are now, than any other issue, is how house price inflation and levels of rent in the private sector have escalated to insane levels.

            I had the same view in 1988 though, when I was able to put down a 25% deposit on a house, only because the flat I had previously owned had doubled in value. I can remember saying to people then that it would be almost impossible for young people to get on the housing ladder the way things were going. There was almost no way they could save up large enough deposits, as the rises in value were outpacing their ability to save.

            Not only do I hold successive governments to blame for not seeing the obvious, or if they did not caring, but I think that finding a solution to this problem should be a major priority for any government. In fact, I would like to think that young people should never be paying more than 50% of their net income on housing and associated bills. It's just not fair.

            I doubt that sounds very Tory like to you though.

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            • So no comment on Hitchens yet eh? He rightly destroys May and Tory party in that article. Brights, you sound bitter to me. All bribery and false promises and apparently no understanding of the deep systemic issues that Easts begins to address.

              From the article:

              "The laughable failure of Mrs Theresa May’s empty, tremulous campaign was in fact predictable. I suspected it would happen. But I mostly kept quiet about it here for the past few weeks.

              This was not because I have any time for Mrs May and her feeble, politically correct government, but because I did not much want to help Jeremy Corbyn either. And at election time, there’s no room for neutrality.

              There’s one good outcome. This farcical unwanted Election must surely have shown everyone a key fact – we now live in a country where the supposed natural party of government can no longer really command a majority.

              That’s like having a fridge that doesn’t keep your food fresh, or a bicycle with no wheels. If we had any sense (do we?) we’d dump this dead, rotting faction in the nearest skip or landfill, and find a new one to replace it. The Tories failed on Thursday because they have long believed in nothing and are interested only in being in office.

              They won in 2015 only because of a grotesque splurge of millionaire donations, and ultra-expensive black magic techniques, which partly made up for the collapse of their once-majestic membership and the machine it supported.

              They are, in effect, a zombie party, lurching and shuffling along in a procession of the undead, thanks to transfusions of money and the BBC’s ancient broadcasting rules, which guarantee them air time.


              What happened next must be one of the strangest chapters in our history. Labour (which had itself become a zombie party under Blairite control) changed its leadership election rules, and accidentally made it possible for a real socialist to win. "

              A searing but astute analysis. Like I say, worth a read.

              In the meantime, a little pic for everyone to enjoy.




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              • Originally posted by brightonr View Post
                Obviously they aren't and not sure anybody has said that.

                In my opinion mate, the one situation that is more responsible for how things are now, than any other issue, is how house price inflation and levels of rent in the private sector have escalated to insane levels.

                I had the same view in 1988 though, when I was able to put down a 25% deposit on a house, only because the flat I had previously owned had doubled in value. I can remember saying to people then that it would be almost impossible for young people to get on the housing ladder the way things were going. There was almost no way they could save up large enough deposits, as the rises in value were outpacing their ability to save.

                Not only do I hold successive governments to blame for not seeing the obvious, or if they did not caring, but I think that finding a solution to this problem should be a major priority for any government.
                In fact, I would like to think that young people should never be paying more than 50% of their net income on housing and associated bills. It's just not fair.

                I doubt that sounds very Tory like to you though.
                Probably not a case of not seeing the obvious. Probably more of a case of not expecting it to be an issue until after their term has finished!

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                • Originally posted by Tarbie View Post
                  Probably not a case of not seeing the obvious. Probably more of a case of not expecting it to be an issue until after their term has finished!
                  Yeah, you could well have a point mate.

                  And no Hubs, I'm not bitter. Why would I be when the Tories won and Labour lost?

                  You appear to be the bitter one, as it's you that keeps posting stuff that fits your agenda.

                  And as for no comment on Hitchens, what would be the point? I could reply "no comment yet?" to the question I asked you in post #502 on the terror thread. I had just assumed that you actually agreed with me but were too embarrassed to say so as it would have highlighted the ridiculous nature of what "someone else had told you" but you felt the need to post regardless.

                  But whilst we are posting up amusing pics, I thought this one was rather funny when old Jezza started going on about another bank holiday:

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                  • Just one more point as it's getting boring now.

                    When the muppet Cameron resigned, the left were whining that any new leader would not have a mandate to lead the country and should call an election. Then, when a combination of their petty squabbling and voting against the will of the people both in the commons and the unelected house of lords and silly leaks by Juncker & co led her to call one, off they go again, squealing like stuck pigs that she's already said she won't and changed her mind. Then, despite about 7 weeks of what can only be described as one of the most hapless, ineffective, negative and dull election campaigns run by any party, ever, they still can't win. But still think they did, because they didn't do as bad as they thought they would.

                    As for changing minds, be interesting to see how many of the 80% of the PLP that voted against Corbyn have altered their views now that a little more "job security" has appeared on the horizon. Hypocritical doesn't even begin to sum them up. And to think that some would have them making big decisions on our future. Dear oh dear.

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                    • Originally posted by brightonr View Post
                      "Corbyn, the man who won"

                      And there was me thinking he'd come second in a two horse race.

                      The Tory's election campaign was a disaster from start to finish and I don't know anyone who thinks different.

                      But if you think that a supposedly costed manifesto which experts have claimed is wildly inaccurate and hidden tax increases amongst other things is a good thing, then that's up to you.

                      The bribing of students is beyond irresponsible in my opinion. Listening to the radio last night, I heard that in a survey of them, when asked who had introduced tuition fees, 85% said it was the Conservatives. Just goes to show how ill informed and gullible they are. God knows how they'd react if told that the prime minister and chancellor went to state schools whilst their opposite numbers were educated privately.

                      What I would say though is that politics in this country needs a good shake up as there are far too many people on both sides not fit to be representing the public. If only all parties had supported the will of the people after the referendum, then we could have been half way to a good deal by now as opposed to all the uncertainty we find ourselves in.
                      Stated as a fact but really just an opinion.....

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                      • Originally posted by Johnnykc View Post
                        Stated as a fact but really just an opinion.....
                        "Could" is a fact.

                        "Would" would have been an opinion.

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                        • Jezza addressing the masses at Glastonbury. Next he'll be giving Holy Communion
                          I must away now, I can no longer tarry
                          This morning's tempest I have to cross
                          I must be guided without a stumble
                          Into the arms I love the most

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                          • Originally posted by lymehoop View Post
                            Jezza addressing the masses at Glastonbury. Next he'll be giving Holy Communion
                            He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy !
                            “He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
                            Will Danaher

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