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    Originally Posted by James1979
    Not when it puts other people at risk.
    Therein lies the problem. A decision not to vaccinate can put other people at risk. My Mrs is anti vaccine, the main issues for her being the carriers that are used to preserve them and also the potential side effects of combined vaccines like MMR.
    When we got together she already had two children of 7 and 9 but I hadn't started a family with my ex.
    The long and short of it was, given we were both in our mid forties, we hoped but didn't expect to have a baby.
    We did and he's now 5 but at 16 months he contracted hooping cough. It can be fatal in young infants and people of compromised immunity. They call it the 100 day cough and for about 2 months of that it was absolutely hellish watching him cough himself to the point where he'd turn blue, then the awful sound of him sucking in air so desperately he'd make the classic sound which gives the disease its name. Other times he'd cough so violently he'd throw up. The doctors basically said we just had to ride it out as there wasn't any useful treatment which made the whole experience all the more painful for us as parents, feeling like we weren't really able to do anything.
    To make matters worse, my Mrs then caught it and just as our son started to improve she developed pneumonia and was hospitalised for 4 days.
    Nobody died thankfully ! But I was a farking nervous wreck by the end of it all and as soon as she was better we had a long and frank discussion about vaccination. Eventually we reached a compromise. All of the children were vaccinated up to date but we used a private doctor up in town. They didn't use the same preservatives/carriers and although she still wasn't completely happy about it all she knew there was no way I was going to allow our son not to be vaccinated. I basically told her I'd take him to the local doctors for his jabs if I had to, something I didn't really have a problem with.
    I don't think anybody can catogorically say one way or the other whether the vaccines or their additives can cause permanent mental or physical damage but one things for sure. If more and more people decide not to take up vaccination, herd immunity will be lost and we'll see more and more pregnant mothers, elderly people and those with compromised immunity die from diseases which were all but eradicated.
    He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long

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    That sounds like an absolute nightmare. Glad your family is fine now. For me the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Vaccines have eradicated likes of smallpox and many other diseases. Your last sentence is spot on and that is why it should be compulsory. It's not about being a nanny state. It's about making sure that other people don't suffer due to your decision not to have a vaccine.

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    Originally Posted by James1979
    That sounds like an absolute nightmare. Glad your family is fine now. For me the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Vaccines have eradicated likes of smallpox and many other diseases. Your last sentence is spot on and that is why it should be compulsory. It's not about being a nanny state. It's about making sure that other people don't suffer due to your decision not to have a vaccine.
    All good in the end thanks James but obviously I'm slightly more emotive about the subject of vaccination than I was prior to the experience !
    I had many a heated discussion with my wife about our responsibility to other members of society. Her argument was that her children were her priority and I can understand that but it's all about weighing up the risks.
    For me, vaccination is a risk worth taking as whichever way you look at it, vaccines will save more lives than they damage.
    As I said to her, if everybody adopted the same approach she initially did, that would eventually put all people at risk, including our own children.
    He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long

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    I am really sorry to hear of your experience Itsonly. It's such an emotive subject and I totally understand your position, but what about the possible risks the vaccinations carry too? As yet these risks are still unproven either way, are they not? Out of interest were your wife's first two kids vaccinated? Like I say it's a real tricky one. I just think as much investment as possible should be going into the research into the eradicating any possible associated risks of vaccines, and I'm not convinced that is happening partly due to the corporate vested interests of big pharma and their strong ties are with our governments. I'd so love to have that nagging scepticism quashed though...

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    I admit I'm not totally convinced either way regarding the complete safety of vaccinations Stan. It's such a difficult subject to unpick and to make an informed judgement on, given some of the conflicting reports.
    My take on it is this. I accept that a small number of children have an adverse reaction to vaccines. A small number of those reactions will be severe and life changing. But, and it's a big but for me, the potential harm to everybody if vaccination programmes weren't taken up would be far worse. A particularly brutal way of describing it is collateral damage, maybe not the nicest terminology given we are talking about predominantly children but it pretty much hits the nail on the head.
    In a nutshell, despite some niggling doubts about vaccines being 100% safe, the alternative option would be far worse imho.

    Neither of my wife's children from her previous marriage had been vaccinated prior to my son contracting hooping cough.
    Until he became ill I have to admit I'd been completely apathetic about vaccination and was happy to take my wife's lead on the subject. Obviously that changed given what happened. I wouldn't say my view became skewed purely because of that awful time, it just made me think about the subject a lot more. My stepson did contract it too but being older his symptoms were far less severe thankfully. If they hadn't been it may we'll have tipped us over the edge !
    Thankfully we reached that compromise and all of the children are up to date now.

    Interestingly, when we took our son to A+E after his first 'blue' incident, we were eventually told by the doctor, after about 6 hours, that it was hooping cough. He said he was very surprirised as it was a very uncommon disease. The same year (2012)
    cases of hooping cough increased tenfold from the previous outbreak in 2008 and sadly the number of babies that died was into double figures. Not long after that a vaccination programme was offered to pregnant mothers.
    He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long

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