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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostThe very fact that the "stats" suggest that Helgusson was better than either Austin or Remy tells you everything that you need to know about the shortcomings of placing all of your faith in stats!
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Originally posted by Shepherds Mush View PostWould imagine the most important stat - goals to games - of Helguson is nowhere near Austin's (though may be close to Remy's)"What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostHelguson's minutes per goal is 144, Austin's is 151 believe it or not and Remy's is 228 minutes. As I said before, Helguson has a higher rating because he's got a much smaller sample size and he's more involved in build up play
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Originally posted by Tarbie View PostWhat it doesn't tell you is that Remy achieved that in a god awful side in the top division. As opposed to Helguson who was playing predominantly in a division below and often with Adel Taarabt tucked in behind him."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostNope, Helguson only had one season with TF as owner and that was in the prem... If you want something to criticise, I'd suggest taking the "Some of them were penalties" route.
Stick to my guns though that it's proof that stats on their own are misleading. No way is Helguson a better player than either Charlie or Remy.
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Originally posted by Brian Wilson View PostI'll try
Cesar (money...expectation...general not very good-ness)
Young R Ferdinand A Ferdinand Bosingwa
SWP Park Dyer
Johnson Campbell Maiga
GK - Paddy Kenny, Julio Cesar, Rob Green, Alex Smithies
RB - Luke Young, Nedum Onuoha, Jose Bosingwa, Danny Simpson, Mauricio Isla and James Perch
CB - Anton Ferdinand, Clint Hill, Ryan Nelsen, Nedum Onuoha, Richard Dunne, Steven Caulker, Grant Hall (I can include Angella as he's close enough to the range)
LB - Taye Taiwo, Armand Traore, Clint Hill, Yun Suk-Young, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, James Perch, Paul Konchesky, Jake Bidwell
CM/CDM - Alejandro Faurlin, Samba Diakite, Joey Barton, Shaun Derry, Esteban Granero, Stephane Mbia, Jermaine Jenas, Tom Carroll, Karl Henry, Sandro, Massimo Luongo
LM - Adel Taarabt, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Junior Hoilett, Park Ji-Sung, Matt Phillips, Armand Traore, Niko Kranjcar, Leroy Fer, Tjaronn Chery
RM - SWP, Jamie Mackie, Andros Townsend, Junior Hoilett, Yossi Benayoun, Gary O'Neil, Matt Phillips, Eduardo Vargas, Jordan Cousins
CAM - Adel Taarabt, Junior Hoilett, Jermaine Jenas, Ravel Morrison, Niko Kranjcar, Leroy Fer, Tjaronn Chery, Massimo Luongo
ST - Heidar Helguson, Bobby Zamora, Jay Bothroyd, Djibril Cisse, Loic Remy, Andrew Johnson, Charlie Austin, Sebastian Polter, Conor Washington"What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostI'll tell you what I'll do, because of the way I did it, I got all the players who played those positions and averaged out their minutes played in it. Anyone who played below those average minutes is discounted. Instead now, I'll just get rid of the bottom third of results. So I'll list up for everyone, every eligible player and you guys can try that too.
GK - Paddy Kenny, Julio Cesar, Rob Green, Alex Smithies
RB - Luke Young, Nedum Onuoha, Jose Bosingwa, Danny Simpson, Mauricio Isla and James Perch
CB - Anton Ferdinand, Clint Hill, Ryan Nelsen, Nedum Onuoha, Richard Dunne, Steven Caulker, Grant Hall (I can include Angella as he's close enough to the range)
LB - Taye Taiwo, Armand Traore, Clint Hill, Yun Suk-Young, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, James Perch, Paul Konchesky, Jake Bidwell
CM/CDM - Alejandro Faurlin, Samba Diakite, Joey Barton, Shaun Derry, Esteban Granero, Stephane Mbia, Jermaine Jenas, Tom Carroll, Karl Henry, Sandro, Massimo Luongo
LM - Adel Taarabt, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Junior Hoilett, Park Ji-Sung, Matt Phillips, Armand Traore, Niko Kranjcar, Leroy Fer, Tjaronn Chery
RM - SWP, Jamie Mackie, Andros Townsend, Junior Hoilett, Yossi Benayoun, Gary O'Neil, Matt Phillips, Eduardo Vargas, Jordan Cousins
CAM - Adel Taarabt, Junior Hoilett, Jermaine Jenas, Ravel Morrison, Niko Kranjcar, Leroy Fer, Tjaronn Chery, Massimo Luongo
ST - Heidar Helguson, Bobby Zamora, Jay Bothroyd, Djibril Cisse, Loic Remy, Andrew Johnson, Charlie Austin, Sebastian Polter, Conor Washington
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