That's an impressive analysis Hal.
That's an impressive analysis Hal.
A Tory MP (who voted leave) has just resigned over his own government's stance on Brexit - makes very interesting reading and has me thinking maybe a general election might be on the cards?
It's all very well these people whining about needing to scrutinise and debate etc., but they seem to be missing the point.
The reason we cannot debate these things properly, is because of the intransigent attitude of the circus that we democratically voted to say goodbye to. They have point blank refused to enter into any negotiations until such time as article 50 has been invoked. Just as they refused to negotiate a decent deal for the UK to remain.
It is their stance that is causing all the uncertainty. If they came to the negotiating table straight away instead of acting like spoilt children, then we could have pretty much sorted things out already. Then we could have discussed the outcome of these negotiations and moved on accordingly, be that acceptance or the need to change things.
Lets face it, it is the EU that want tariffs, not the UK. It is the EU that have this ridiculous insistence on free movement. It is the EU that want a European army, despite them trying to tell us that they aren't looking for closer politcal union.
Answer me honestly mate, is this the type of organisation we should be so desperate to be a part of?
How much better off would we be financially remaining in it? As good as Greece? As good as Italy?
I'm genuinely utterly astonished that people cannot see it. Particularly now.
Davis who is secretary of state for Brexit, I do not like, or trust the judgement of Liam Fox or Boris Johnson. I want this to be a proper, transparent process that has the sovereign will of parliament behind it.
The eventual political landscape will not be what everyone who made that vote had in their own mind but it was never going to be a case of just saying 'see ya later EU'.....if you really believed that then you are either unbelievably stupid or naive.
Leaving the EU was voted for and will happen but it is appropriate for the terms to be discussed by parliament.
I'm sure you don't really believe that 17.5m people all had a common goal in the obvious finer details of negotiating leaving the EU and would accept that it is right that such a huge subject is discussed by parliament as to the best course.
On the plus side..it's nice to see you acknowledge the large racist section of the leave camp...there's hope for you yet Lymes!
What a good day !!
Looks like at last we have a prime minister and a government intent on doing what's best for the country as opposed to what's best for the EU.
In a nutshell, it would seem that the government's policy exactly mirrors that of the leave campaign. Just as it should.
It's a risky negotiating tactic is brinkmanship. It's just as likely to backfire as succeed. As I understand it, the threat is that if we don't get what we want, we will immediately convert to a super low corporation tax tax haven in an attempt to suck in loads of global companies, but with the side-effect of ####ing the working rights and conditions of millions and gawd knows what else. It appears May has become a convert to (or is paying lip service to) a hard right economic plan that, as far as I know whenever anything similar has existed, has always been to the detriment of the poorest in society - ironically, many of those who voted for Brexit. The poorhouse /workhouse scenario is back on. The much-lauded (by the Thatcherites and their ilk) 'trickle-down effect ' has never actually worked; in fact the opposite seems true.
What's interesting to me is that all of this seems counter to the deeper shifts that are taking place right now, as if there were two concurrent realities that occasionally touch.... A friend of mine who has long been ahead of the game on this (he was the first person to tell me about bitcoin), expressed very concisely how he thinks this will pan out:
"You don't need politicians in a world where direct action can drive society over a connected Internet. In a capitalist system where money is power, intermediating politics will always become corrupt unless absolute transparency and accountability is built into the core of the system.
The quicker Society ejects the present idea of 'government as management' and replaces it with an IT team building an open source public auditable social network that handles societal organization and decision making, the less painful it will be to end up there. Only other option on the table is totalitarianism." I know which option I'd prefer!
However, having said that, maybe it is a good negotiating tactic! The idea might work!
It is purely a negotiating tactic Hubs mate and as someone who doesnt really identify with the conservatives nor Theresa May, I thought it was a pretty good speech
I took a negative view in my earlier post - I am always suspicious of the threat of unfettered capitalism when nearly all the advantages and privileges lie in the hands of a minority - but there is of course the possibility - faint though it seems to me - for some kind of socially responsible capitalism... at least, that seems to be what May was talking about in Davos today.
So, a couple of months on and things appear to be proceeding according to the expected timescale. How are we all feeling about this?
Personally, I find it encouraging. I also thought that the signals from both Juncker and Tusk are starting to sound far more conciliatory than we have been used to in the past, which can only be a good thing.
I thought that the PM's letter was well and sensibly worded, despite hearing complaints by some of the usual suspects about us possibly using the issue surrounding security as a threat. Funny how it was never seen as a threat by the Remain side when they were telling us how less safe we would all be once we are out of the EU. Slight case of double standards, but not the only one.
Still having trouble getting my head around those who still haven't grasped reality. Heard a German doctor on the radio yesterday evening suggesting that his future is now uncertain, despite him having lived and worked here for the last 27 years. I can't begin to imagine what goes on in the minds of some people.
The Great Repeal Bill is a fantastic opportunity for us to, over time, choose to keep many of the really good things the EU have been responsible for whilst at the same time losing those that don't really work well for us.
Hopefully the eventual outcome to this forty odd year farce is something along the lines of why we joined the common market in the first place, before us and many other countries were hoodwinked and lied to about the true agenda.