Europe. In or out?

[jmelanie]

What have Putin and Trump got to do with our membership of the European Union?

They can make money building walls.

[wortonranger]

They can make money building walls.

They have both indicated a degree of support for Brexit apparently.

[lymehoop]

They have both indicated a degree of support for Brexit apparently.

how desperate can anyone get

[Hubble]

We are one of the greatest trading nation's on the planet, why do you think that will change?

Personally, I think things will only get better for the lower paid, as wages will rise when the "draw bridge" is raised.

I highly doubt that. In the event of a Brexit, I would fear for the average British worker. You only have to watch Brexit the Movie to see that all those who appear in it advocate for deregulation to increase profits. That, in fact, is their main issue with being in the EU - too many regulations that are inconvenient to making a profit. They don't give a fig for the workers and I don't buy their 'it will make us more democratic' for a minute. Neoliberalism has increased the disparity between rich and poor in this country and a Brexit would only see that trend continue.

[Olly]

I highly doubt that. In the event of a Brexit, I would fear for the average British worker. You only have to watch Brexit the Movie to see that all those who appear in it advocate for deregulation to increase profits. That, in fact, is their main issue with being in the EU - too many regulations that are inconvenient to making a profit. They don't give a fig for the workers and I don't buy their 'it will make us more democratic' for a minute. Neoliberalism has increased the disparity between rich and poor in this country and a Brexit would only see that trend continue.

I concede that point very clearly, but the Tories won't always be in power. People in this country have had enough of the current liars like Cameron and Co who have really made the public aware of once and for all, how low MP's will go. Likeable or not, Corbyn comes across as honest.

[cross it Dave]

I highly doubt that. In the event of a Brexit, I would fear for the average British worker. You only have to watch Brexit the Movie to see that all those who appear in it advocate for deregulation to increase profits. That, in fact, is their main issue with being in the EU - too many regulations that are inconvenient to making a profit. They don't give a fig for the workers and I don't buy their 'it will make us more democratic' for a minute. Neoliberalism has increased the disparity between rich and poor in this country and a Brexit would only see that trend continue.

Far more people are now on minimum wage in the UK, British and foreigners , British employers have millions of east and south Europeans prepared to work for £7.20 an hour.

Things need to be in favour of our people in our country, 1,700,000 Brits need help to find better paid jobs, stopping miilions of Europeans and others coming here would be a good start.

[knocker]

I highly doubt that. In the event of a Brexit, I would fear for the average British worker. You only have to watch Brexit the Movie to see that all those who appear in it advocate for deregulation to increase profits. That, in fact, is their main issue with being in the EU - too many regulations that are inconvenient to making a profit. They don't give a fig for the workers and I don't buy their 'it will make us more democratic' for a minute. Neoliberalism has increased the disparity between rich and poor in this country and a Brexit would only see that trend continue.

More left wing drivel.

[knocker]

I concede that point very clearly, but the Tories won't always be in power. People in this country have had enough of the current liars like Cameron and Co who have really made the public aware of once and for all, how low MP's will go. Likeable or not, Corbyn comes across as honest.

Cameron and co have acted disgracefully but let's not forget where all this started, labours open door imagination policy. And like it or not, that's what this referendum is about.

[Hubble]

More left wing drivel.

Oh I do love a well reasoned argument.

[cross it Dave]

Cameron and co have acted disgracefully but let's not forget where all this started, labours open door imagination policy. And like it or not, that's what this referendum is about.

The Labour party are like arsonists standing around jeering the fire brigade because they cannot put the socialist fire they started out.

[jmelanie]

How many of you who voted "yes" to the common market are voting for Brexit and why? I voted yes for the common market but with some concerns. I was unhappy at the way we acted towards our "friends" like Australia and New Zealand. I never understood why we had to give up our free trade agreements with these countries. After the vote I slowly changed my mind about having voted yes. The main reason was because it wasn't what I signed up for. I thought the common market would be basically a trade agreement with 12 countries. This would not have caused an immigration problem because the other members of the common market were generally on a par with ourselves. However this soon changed (I'm not sure why) and other countries joined and the common market became the EU.

[cross it Dave]

How many of you who voted "yes" to the common market are voting for Brexit and why? I voted yes for the common market but with some concerns. I was unhappy at the way we acted towards our "friends" like Australia and New Zealand. I never understood why we had to give up our free trade agreements with these countries. After the vote I slowly changed my mind about having voted yes. The main reason was because it wasn't what I signed up for. I thought the common market would be basically a trade agreement with 12 countries. This would not have caused an immigration problem because the other members of the common market were generally on a par with ourselves. However this soon changed (I'm not sure why) and other countries joined and the common market became the EU.

Slowly slowly catchy monkey, Germany's tactic for about 20 years now.

[stainrodisalegend]

Every national government is elected Dave, who make up the council of ministers.

The European parliament is elected.

The EU wanted to have the leaders of the Commission elected but it was the British govt who blocked it because they thought it would give the EU more legitimacy.

The British govt, in contrast, was voted for by precisely one in five of those who are entitled to vote, and just 36% of those who did actually bother to vote.

One of our two Houses of Parliament is appointed, including with almost 100 people who are there purely because one of their ancestors had a title.

But Britain is apparently a model of democracy and Europe is completely undemocratic.

You couldn't make up some of the comments on here





Time for a change then, I have voted out by post and I will no longer vote Conversative, UKIP for me.

I agree with you about the Lords, far too many, and reduce the Commons to 200-250 MP's.

I thought you were not going to debate this any more.

For me it is not about the economy, that will take care of itself, for me, it is sovereignty, I will not accept Junckers and co.

Regarding immigration, we have 1.7 million unemployed, why do we need 300 low paid migrants packing bananas in Luton, as shown on TV last night.

Unemployment is costing £6.5 billion a year and a waste of 1.7 million lives, charity begins at home, remaining in the EU will not solve this problem, it just makes unemployment for our citizens worse as unscrupulous employers have a dearth of foriegn labour who they pay 7.20 an hour too.

It is time for a change, please see the light and vote out, Britain is a great country with great people, we just need a government that doesn't want an under class of serfs.

More than half our immigration is from OUTSIDE the EU which the British govt could stop at any time.

And who will you get as manager to replace JFH when you've sent him "home"?

[Jeems]

And who will you get as manager to replace JFH when you've sent him "home"?

Chris Ramsey. Although we probably will send him back to bongo bongo land too at this rate.

On the subject of 1.7mil unemployed who cant find work. I know a load of EE folk - they always tell me "there are plenty of jobs available" - its because the work shy Brits on benefits do not want to work 12 hour shifts in hotels/restaurants etc. No drive, no graft. This is fact.

[cross it Dave]

Chris Ramsey. Although we probably will send him back to bongo bongo land too at this rate.

On the subject of 1.7mil unemployed who cant find work. I know a load of EE folk - they always tell me "there are plenty of jobs available" - its because the work shy Brits on benefits do not want to work 12 hour shifts in hotels/restaurants etc. No drive, no graft. This is fact.

All 1.7 miilion, don't be daft.