the secret history of our streets

[vanhoop]

Anyone been watching on BBC2,all about notting hill next week

[hammer]

DO you know what night next week ? i`d like to watch that.

[DeepcutHoop]

Wednesday nights.

Great programme, loved the pub landlady today from Caledonian Road. Best ever pronunciation of the word tw*t, aimed at some local oiks. She drew the first t out for ages.

[vanhoop]

Wednesday nights.

Great programme, loved the pub landlady today from Caledonian Road. Best ever pronunciation of the word tw*t, aimed at some local oiks. She drew the first t out for ages.

has been very good,ol Charles booth knows his onions

[hammer]

was the pub the sutton arms down the cali mentioned ?? a mr frank maclintock was the proprioter there at one time.was a good pub with singers etc

[TBLOCKRANGER]

Yes very interesting programme, saw the one about rotherhithe and it makes you think.

If you just see what the media want you to see, immigration is simply immigrants coming in and forcing locals out but reality appears different. In the case of Rotherhithe, the local council appeared to have systematically decided to brand Victorian neighbourhoods as slum housing even though generations of families had lived there, leading to families being forced out as their homes were cleared to build lifeless estates. Families split and divided and moved to essex or where ever resulting in estates being built on their homes.

Those estates remained empty and the council's only option was to put immigrants in those now empty estates (the council actively attracted them) plus problem families as locals didn't want to live there and had in any event moved out. Once this happens immigrants start moving in over the years and the once Local population are all moving out. This is clearly no fault of the immigrants or the locals that were forced to leave, it appeared to be the Council who in the 60s didn't come across as lefties but rather a throw back to 40s and 50s England whose motives appeared that they didn't have much time for the local working class population and wanted to gentrify the area but clearly got it wrong. Bet loads of traditional London working class areas had a similar fate and just shows change in demographics of london wasn't a 90s or 00 phenomenon but had its bedrock in the 60s, by from what I saw created by traditional middle England type of local politicians who were as far removed from the left of the 90s as you can get IMHO.

[DeepcutHoop]

It's fascinating seeing how London has grown in fits and starts over it's entire history.

Most of my ancestors have been from Southwark, Camberwell etc, even some from the East End (shudders), and looking at the maps of London from pre and post Victorian era show quite how many houses were built in that time, most of it clearing the slums and further out building on farm land with rows and rows of terraced housing. Anyone interested in this topic should get this book, got it for Xmas a year or so ago, and it's a brilliant, brilliant read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-London-1870-Philip-Davies/dp/0955794986/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340268241&sr=8-1

Amazing photographs, and if you think parts of London are a hole now, you should see what the slums etc looked like at the turn of the century. It wasn't all better in the old days!!

Some of the seriously beautiful big buildings that were pulled down to be replaced with hideous concrete offices etc is depressing too. This was the General Post Office building designed by the same guy who designed The British Museum. Demolished when a new head office was built elsewhere. Wouldn't be allowed today thankfully.

[lymehoop]

about Portland Rd. next week, should be very interesting. Used to go to an infants school in Latimer Rd. in the early sixties, was sad to see an old lady in the street refusing to move while the bulldozers were knocking down the houses around her. Replaced those houses with souless high rise flats

[bushcelt1]

missed last nights so thanks for the heads up. can't wait.

[superhoop67]

used to drink in the Portland and the Duke of Zetland at the top of Portland rd

[bushcelt1]

used to drink in the Portland and the Duke of Zetland at the top of Portland rd

kennilworth in your day??? think i've had a few in every boozer in w10/11.

[superhoop67]

kenilworth used to sell Harp lager which i didn't like Dolphin on the other side of Henry Dickens ct was nearer

[bushcelt1]

anybody watch it???? good show.

[DeepcutHoop]

I'm not allowed to talk about London anymore....

[Martin63]

anybody watch it???? good show.

Very good. Alan Turrell who was in the show is an R. It gets repeated on Tuesday night and is on i-player:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jt9zh/episodes/guide