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  • QPRDave
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    Originally posted by brightonr View Post
    The remain politicians and persistent remain campaigners are totally to blame for the current situation in my view. Not just with this shambles, but the failure of government to sort out other issues of great importance to this country, due to having to appease and deal with these pathetic undemocratic gutless wastes of space.

    For those naive enough to still think that a no deal Brexit is a bad idea, wise up quick. The total and utter chaos of us not leaving the EU would make a no deal scenario look like a childrens tea party. There will be civil unrest on the streets of this country, the likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes.

    Having to get a visa to work abroad long term for example, or wait an extra week for your new car to be delivered, will suddenly seem well worth the hassle when compared to being caught up in the ensuing riots.

    In the 29 months since the vote to leave, I’ve still to hear one coherent reason to stay, that doesn’t involve lies, ill informed opinions or scare mongering. Even as I type this, there is some moron on the radio banging on about delays to the supplies of insulin. It just never, ever stops.

    And all the time this is going on, we’ve got young kids stabbing each other, vegans getting people the sack over a joke, climate protestors causing havoc in London by illegally obstructing the rights of decent people to get on with their daily lives while the police stand idly by, stopping only to complain about there not being enough of them. Perhaps if the police stopped investigating supposed crimes by the dead, so-called hate crimes, twitter insults and the like and started apprehending criminals and locking them up with the backing of a proper justice system that puts the rights of decent people above pandering to those that commit these offences, we may just start to get somewhere.

    Christ, I’m starting to get as angry as Dave. I’ll be blaming Angel Rangel for the Gibraltar issue next.

    ...

    Fantastic post absolutely bang on

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  • UpperP
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    Originally posted by brightonr View Post
    The remain politicians and persistent remain campaigners are totally to blame for the current situation in my view. Not just with this shambles, but the failure of government to sort out other issues of great importance to this country, due to having to appease and deal with these pathetic undemocratic gutless wastes of space.

    For those naive enough to still think that a no deal Brexit is a bad idea, wise up quick. The total and utter chaos of us not leaving the EU would make a no deal scenario look like a childrens tea party. There will be civil unrest on the streets of this country, the likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes.

    Having to get a visa to work abroad long term for example, or wait an extra week for your new car to be delivered, will suddenly seem well worth the hassle when compared to being caught up in the ensuing riots.

    In the 29 months since the vote to leave, I’ve still to hear one coherent reason to stay, that doesn’t involve lies, ill informed opinions or scare mongering. Even as I type this, there is some moron on the radio banging on about delays to the supplies of insulin. It just never, ever stops.

    And all the time this is going on, we’ve got young kids stabbing each other, vegans getting people the sack over a joke, climate protestors causing havoc in London by illegally obstructing the rights of decent people to get on with their daily lives while the police stand idly by, stopping only to complain about there not being enough of them. Perhaps if the police stopped investigating supposed crimes by the dead, so-called hate crimes, twitter insults and the like and started apprehending criminals and locking them up with the backing of a proper justice system that puts the rights of decent people above pandering to those that commit these offences, we may just start to get somewhere.

    Christ, I’m starting to get as angry as Dave. I’ll be blaming Angel Rangel for the Gibraltar issue next.
    The people voted to leave the EU so every politician regardless of which party they belong to/or whether they agree or not, should all stand firmly behind TM. If we showed a united front we'd be in a much better bargaining position to secure an exit on our terms.Spain's PM (whose economy rely heavily on British tourism) by using Gibraltar as a bargaining tool, has taken the focus away from the debate over whether Catalan should be independant and the fact that they haven't got a pot to urinate in is one example.

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  • brightonr
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    The remain politicians and persistent remain campaigners are totally to blame for the current situation in my view. Not just with this shambles, but the failure of government to sort out other issues of great importance to this country, due to having to appease and deal with these pathetic undemocratic gutless wastes of space.

    For those naive enough to still think that a no deal Brexit is a bad idea, wise up quick. The total and utter chaos of us not leaving the EU would make a no deal scenario look like a childrens tea party. There will be civil unrest on the streets of this country, the likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes.

    Having to get a visa to work abroad long term for example, or wait an extra week for your new car to be delivered, will suddenly seem well worth the hassle when compared to being caught up in the ensuing riots.

    In the 29 months since the vote to leave, I’ve still to hear one coherent reason to stay, that doesn’t involve lies, ill informed opinions or scare mongering. Even as I type this, there is some moron on the radio banging on about delays to the supplies of insulin. It just never, ever stops.

    And all the time this is going on, we’ve got young kids stabbing each other, vegans getting people the sack over a joke, climate protestors causing havoc in London by illegally obstructing the rights of decent people to get on with their daily lives while the police stand idly by, stopping only to complain about there not being enough of them. Perhaps if the police stopped investigating supposed crimes by the dead, so-called hate crimes, twitter insults and the like and started apprehending criminals and locking them up with the backing of a proper justice system that puts the rights of decent people above pandering to those that commit these offences, we may just start to get somewhere.

    Christ, I’m starting to get as angry as Dave. I’ll be blaming Angel Rangel for the Gibraltar issue next.

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  • QPRDave
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    Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
    Its simple. If she can't carry the commons with her, there are two real world choices. One = general election Two = referendum mk 2. The third choice ie no deal is no can do anymore, and rightly so.

    The people who created this mess are Tories with strong leave ideology who played on all sorts of insecurities and dreams. But no one who wants out has put forward a coherent leave strategy that would work in negotiations. People like Rees Mogg have no practical solutions, and Boris couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. They're a busted flush and they know it. They took us to the brink of no deal without the intelligence to understand that it would be a disaster. Bluff has been called.
    No can Do??? , that's what was agreed. So lets just ignore the next election then yeah?
    Oh hello Labour just won the election but lets give the Lib Dems a go, they never get a go.....

    Best I edit this a bit
    Last edited by QPRDave; 21-11-2018, 08:53 PM.

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  • lymehoop
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    Originally posted by hal9thou View Post
    Its simple. If she can't carry the commons with her, there are two real world choices. One = general election Two = referendum mk 2. The third choice ie no deal is no can do anymore, and rightly so.

    The people who created this mess are Tories with strong leave ideology who played on all sorts of insecurities and dreams. But no one who wants out has put forward a coherent leave strategy that would work in negotiations. People like Rees Mogg have no practical solutions, and Boris couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. They're a busted flush and they know it. They took us to the brink of no deal without the intelligence to understand that it would be a disaster. Bluff has been called.
    no negotiations would work because the EU are desperate to keep us in, them and the euro fanatics in this country. We should have had Brexiteers at the negotiating table from day 1 and dictating the terms to Barnier, not going into them with our tails between our legs. The march on December 9th will be interesting
    Last edited by lymehoop; 22-11-2018, 03:27 PM.

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  • hal9thou
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    Its simple. If she can't carry the commons with her, there are two real world choices. One = general election Two = referendum mk 2. The third choice ie no deal is no can do anymore, and rightly so.

    The people who created this mess are Tories with strong leave ideology who played on all sorts of insecurities and dreams. But no one who wants out has put forward a coherent leave strategy that would work in negotiations. People like Rees Mogg have no practical solutions, and Boris couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. They're a busted flush and they know it. They took us to the brink of no deal without the intelligence to understand that it would be a disaster. Bluff has been called.

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  • lymehoop
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    overturning the result has consequences. I believe Labour will benefit because of the Tory treachery

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  • QPRDave
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    Agree Corbs bang on the money mate. I can tell you now if the result had been different I wouldn't have been calling
    for another ref, or reversal of the result, and I think most leavers if not all wouldn't
    have either
    I do believe if this bunch of truly awful MP's on all sides get this done (which it looks like they will)
    then what is the point of voting, and then imo it will lead to people "opting out" of the moral
    unspoken code we all follow, of obeying the laws. Anarchy basically.

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  • corbray
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    Originally posted by QPRDave View Post

    Thank you JKC.....

    I know it wasn't an election as such, just my way of wording it.
    BUT, It was imo legally and morally binding as a Prime Minister
    and his elected Govt,*Promised* to implement whichever result was reached
    whilst i voted remain and still wish that others voted remain as well this is something we have to go through with, even if people don't like it. it was voted on by the people and imo democracy is more important than overturning a landmark decision like this. the way i look at it is if the government overturns brexit then what's stopping future governments from overturning other votes? future governments can simply cite the brexit revote as a reason to hold another referendum or vote on any decision

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  • QPRDave
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    Originally posted by Johnnykc View Post

    I'm not even vaguely #### a hoop Dave........ 2 years to produce a 'deal' that will suit no one.... TM hasn't been helped by her high profile leaver colleagues ####ing off at politically appropriate times, but offering absolutely nothing as an alternative.... self serving c**ts of the highest order with ONLY their own political careers in mind.

    And on the other side, Corbyns democratic socialists have also offered nothing other than spoiling tactics with an eye firmly placed on no.10.

    It feels like there is a political void where the voice of reason is missing.

    And, on your final point.... the EU referendum wasn't an election.... it was simply to guage public opinion and was not legally binding.... so therefore, is just another example of politicians not delivering on promises... that is all.

    Thanks for the apology though Dave..... much appreciated
    Thank you JKC.....

    I know it wasn't an election as such, just my way of wording it.
    BUT, It was imo legally and morally binding as a Prime Minister
    and his elected Govt,*Promised* to implement whichever result was reached

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  • Johnnykc
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    Originally posted by QPRDave View Post

    You must be #### a hoop Johnny all us thickos put back in our place.
    Doesn't matter about democracy, as we were all stupid to understand it.
    Never even had to implement it, thanks to whingeing scare mongering remainer politicians
    convincing the "I'll hide behind my curtains brigade" that everything from medicine to mars bars
    will be extinct.
    You just remember though, that the biggest turnout for any election, has had it's result
    over turned. So if they can get away with it once, next time it might be you and yours that suffer
    from the treachery
    I'm not even vaguely #### a hoop Dave........ 2 years to produce a 'deal' that will suit no one.... TM hasn't been helped by her high profile leaver colleagues ####ing off at politically appropriate times, but offering absolutely nothing as an alternative.... self serving c**ts of the highest order with ONLY their own political careers in mind.

    And on the other side, Corbyns democratic socialists have also offered nothing other than spoiling tactics with an eye firmly placed on no.10.

    It feels like there is a political void where the voice of reason is missing.

    And, on your final point.... the EU referendum wasn't an election.... it was simply to guage public opinion and was not legally binding.... so therefore, is just another example of politicians not delivering on promises... that is all.

    Thanks for the apology though Dave..... much appreciated

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  • QPRDave
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    Originally posted by Artful View Post

    Am I correct in thinking that a few years ago they were made to keep voting until the EU got the result they wanted? Firmly believe that is what they are trying to get from us. Think Rabb was right on Marr show saying tell them to stick it, no deal unless they make better concessions. After ll tariffs work both ways. As for Labour, ain’t got a scooby. They just seem to go with whatever flavour of the month they think will get them into No.10. They even had a Bristol MP on saying that one of their so called six tests is totally unachievable.
    Nailed it Art

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  • QPRDave
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    Originally posted by lymehoop View Post

    that has already happened to Johnny boy Dave. You see he is from the Emerald Isle
    Ooh the cheeky lil Leprechaun, winding us up. I got a bit "excited" last night, apologies to all & Johnny

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  • Artful
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    Originally posted by lymehoop View Post

    that has already happened to Johnny boy Dave. You see he is from the Emerald Isle
    Am I correct in thinking that a few years ago they were made to keep voting until the EU got the result they wanted? Firmly believe that is what they are trying to get from us. Think Rabb was right on Marr show saying tell them to stick it, no deal unless they make better concessions. After ll tariffs work both ways. As for Labour, ain’t got a scooby. They just seem to go with whatever flavour of the month they think will get them into No.10. They even had a Bristol MP on saying that one of their so called six tests is totally unachievable.

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  • lymehoop
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    Originally posted by QPRDave View Post

    You must be #### a hoop Johnny all us thickos put back in our place.
    Doesn't matter about democracy, as we were all stupid to understand it.
    Never even had to implement it, thanks to whingeing scare mongering remainer politicians
    convincing the "I'll hide behind my curtains brigade" that everything from medicine to mars bars
    will be extinct.
    You just remember though, that the biggest turnout for any election, has had it's result
    over turned. So if they can get away with it once, next time it might be you and yours that suffer
    from the treachery
    that has already happened to Johnny boy Dave. You see he is from the Emerald Isle

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