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  • #31
    you boys forget that its only 9 points agreed,but the real punishment is they have to live work and play in that sh at hole they call birmingham and talk like benny of crossroads for life.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post

      Our financial penalty has nothing to do with FFP. The FA has been looking to get even with us since we wriggled out of the Faurlin saga with Paladini's delaying tactics during the hearing. We gave the FA the ammunition to get even with us.
      what you on about

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      • #33
        Originally posted by YoungR1 View Post
        Hate FFP. Worst thing to happen to our game ever. No more level playing fields, no more dreams and aspirations, if you are a small club you have absolutely no chance of competing with the big boys. You used to get Watford, Norwich, Villa, Blackburn even us challenging at the top of the league... that will never happen again and I find it very sad the money men have stolen the dreams of the smaller teams.
        It is sad what has happened as a result of money being pumped into the top division but let's get something right here .

        The global support and the success enjoyed by those big teams means that they can sustain cheque book football and the owners leaving will not cause the club to face financial ruin or potential winding up.

        However, clubs like us have no fan base big enough to act as a safety net and we are not successful. What our owners did was reckless and could have killed us. That is why FFP is necessary.

        Did alarm bells not start to ring when little QPR started to do deals with AC Milan and Real Madrid? Not even when we signed Brazilian internationals? You must, surely, have looked around Loftus Road at least once during those halcyon days and think to yourself 'this is ridiculous'?

        FFP isn't perfect and the idea of giving a club a massive fine for overspending does seem to be counter productive but we did sign up to those rules and we knew what would happen and yet, our arrogant and reckless owners still decided to go ahead and do it. These people aren't victims but idiots who could have killed our club.

        Should it be points deductions and relegation rather than fines? Absolutely. However, there is no doubt that small clubs like us need to be protected from reckless and idiotic owners. We have a 136 year history we need to preserve.

        Finally, the sad reality is that if you want to support a successful side then you will have to find another and regardless of FFP that has always been the case.



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        • #34
          Just a thought. Would it be an idea to punish the owners directly for their fe€kless behaviour ?
          As in, to own a major holding in a club you agree that if it’s run inappropriately you as the owner pay the fines ?
          Surely that would encourage owners to run a viable business and in the event they still ####ed up, fans wouldn’t see their club suffer too much.
          There’s probably a good reason why this approach wouldnt work, seems far too simplistic to me.
          “He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
          Will Danaher

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View Post
            Just a thought. Would it be an idea to punish the owners directly for their fe€kless behaviour ?
            As in, to own a major holding in a club you agree that if it’s run inappropriately you as the owner pay the fines ?
            Surely that would encourage owners to run a viable business and in the event they still ####ed up, fans wouldn’t see their club suffer too much.
            There’s probably a good reason why this approach wouldnt work, seems far too simplistic to me.
            Far too logical for The FL to entertain.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Clapton is God View Post

              It is sad what has happened as a result of money being pumped into the top division but let's get something right here .

              The global support and the success enjoyed by those big teams means that they can sustain cheque book football and the owners leaving will not cause the club to face financial ruin or potential winding up.

              However, clubs like us have no fan base big enough to act as a safety net and we are not successful. What our owners did was reckless and could have killed us. That is why FFP is necessary.

              Did alarm bells not start to ring when little QPR started to do deals with AC Milan and Real Madrid? Not even when we signed Brazilian internationals? You must, surely, have looked around Loftus Road at least once during those halcyon days and think to yourself 'this is ridiculous'?

              FFP isn't perfect and the idea of giving a club a massive fine for overspending does seem to be counter productive but we did sign up to those rules and we knew what would happen and yet, our arrogant and reckless owners still decided to go ahead and do it. These people aren't victims but idiots who could have killed our club.

              Should it be points deductions and relegation rather than fines? Absolutely. However, there is no doubt that small clubs like us need to be protected from reckless and idiotic owners. We have a 136 year history we need to preserve.

              Finally, the sad reality is that if you want to support a successful side then you will have to find another and regardless of FFP that has always been the case.



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              • #37
                Originally posted by Clapton is God View Post

                It is sad what has happened as a result of money being pumped into the top division but let's get something right here .

                The global support and the success enjoyed by those big teams means that they can sustain cheque book football and the owners leaving will not cause the club to face financial ruin or potential winding up.

                However, clubs like us have no fan base big enough to act as a safety net and we are not successful. What our owners did was reckless and could have killed us. That is why FFP is necessary.

                Did alarm bells not start to ring when little QPR started to do deals with AC Milan and Real Madrid? Not even when we signed Brazilian internationals? You must, surely, have looked around Loftus Road at least once during those halcyon days and think to yourself 'this is ridiculous'?

                FFP isn't perfect and the idea of giving a club a massive fine for overspending does seem to be counter productive but we did sign up to those rules and we knew what would happen and yet, our arrogant and reckless owners still decided to go ahead and do it. These people aren't victims but idiots who could have killed our club.

                Should it be points deductions and relegation rather than fines? Absolutely. However, there is no doubt that small clubs like us need to be protected from reckless and idiotic owners. We have a 136 year history we need to preserve.

                Finally, the sad reality is that if you want to support a successful side then you will have to find another and regardless of FFP that has always been the case.



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                We signed up to FFP rules?...It wasnt like we had a choice!

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                • #38
                  Well with Derby, Villa and Wednesday being looked at this week makes it even more one sided for teams with parachute payments. They should only be allowed to spend this money on existing contracts or something. Otherwise it will turn the league into teams of yoyo sides with the same ones going up or down and the rest stuck in No Man's Land.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Clapton is God View Post

                    It is sad what has happened as a result of money being pumped into the top division but let's get something right here .

                    The global support and the success enjoyed by those big teams means that they can sustain cheque book football and the owners leaving will not cause the club to face financial ruin or potential winding up.

                    However, clubs like us have no fan base big enough to act as a safety net and we are not successful. What our owners did was reckless and could have killed us. That is why FFP is necessary.

                    Did alarm bells not start to ring when little QPR started to do deals with AC Milan and Real Madrid? Not even when we signed Brazilian internationals? You must, surely, have looked around Loftus Road at least once during those halcyon days and think to yourself 'this is ridiculous'?

                    FFP isn't perfect and the idea of giving a club a massive fine for overspending does seem to be counter productive but we did sign up to those rules and we knew what would happen and yet, our arrogant and reckless owners still decided to go ahead and do it. These people aren't victims but idiots who could have killed our club.

                    Should it be points deductions and relegation rather than fines? Absolutely. However, there is no doubt that small clubs like us need to be protected from reckless and idiotic owners. We have a 136 year history we need to preserve.

                    Finally, the sad reality is that if you want to support a successful side then you will have to find another and regardless of FFP that has always been the case.



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                    I have to agree with most of this, well put!
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by davieqpr View Post
                      Well with Derby, Villa and Wednesday being looked at this week makes it even more one sided for teams with parachute payments. They should only be allowed to spend this money on existing contracts or something. Otherwise it will turn the league into teams of yoyo sides with the same ones going up or down and the rest stuck in No Man's Land.
                      I hope the FA crack on to be honest. At this rate we will be in the play offs come May
                      “He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
                      Will Danaher

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View Post

                        I hope the FA crack on to be honest. At this rate we will be in the play offs come May
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View Post
                          Just a thought. Would it be an idea to punish the owners directly for their fe€kless behaviour ?
                          As in, to own a major holding in a club you agree that if it’s run inappropriately you as the owner pay the fines ?
                          Surely that would encourage owners to run a viable business and in the event they still ####ed up, fans wouldn’t see their club suffer too much.
                          There’s probably a good reason why this approach wouldnt work, seems far too simplistic to me.
                          Owners should have to pay a deposit and an annual amount into a 3rd party trust to guarantee a degree of financial safety net should they #### it up.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TBLOCKRANGER View Post

                            Leicester showed the dream is still alive and kicking.
                            Watford & Wolves doing well. Also, Bournemouth who are probably th smallest club I've ever known in the prem are doing fine.
                            Prem or Division One was generally owned by the big clubs. Every so often a small club wins it, such as Forest or Blackburn but always been a once in s generation phenomenon.
                            Dont think much changes. The playing field has always been uneven.
                            But now it is forcibly uneven by law. I agree with Leicester it was great to see them win the league, but it was a freak season, so therefore it was a major exception to the rule. I don't see how Leicester can be used in any context to back up an argument that FFP works, it was just well, a freak season the top 6 were all weak at the same time. I guess that happens once every 25 years? Since Blackburn? (When Man U and Arsenal were both in transitional squad periods) Yes Watford, Wolves, Bournemouth are doing ok, but none of them will break into the top 6 certainly not this season.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by YoungR1 View Post

                              But now it is forcibly uneven by law. I agree with Leicester it was great to see them win the league, but it was a freak season, so therefore it was a major exception to the rule. I don't see how Leicester can be used in any context to back up an argument that FFP works, it was just well, a freak season the top 6 were all weak at the same time. I guess that happens once every 25 years? Since Blackburn? (When Man U and Arsenal were both in transitional squad periods) Yes Watford, Wolves, Bournemouth are doing ok, but none of them will break into the top 6 certainly not this season.
                              I don't think TBlock was arguing that. Quite the opposite in fact saying the playing field has always been uneven.

                              The season Leicester won it was a freak season I agree but Spurs had a great chance to win it given how weak the other top teams were. And Leicester actually ended up winning it by about ten points I think.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sleeping Giants View Post

                                So we get a £42 Million fine which hits us for 10 years and they get docked 9 points which sees them comfortably mid table given their form?...How is that fair?
                                I think the fine is better for QPR. If we had 9 points deducted we would be almost certain to go down.

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