Sack him

[QPRDave]

As my son said
Rotherham are qpr without Freeman

F- me wise words indeed, that is what we have become.
Soon we'll be Rochdale or Hartleepool, unless drastic action is taken

[QPRDave]

Are we any better than we were each of the last three years ?? Under the three previouse managers we weren't good enough to play a full season , the people in control arnt good enough the players haven't been good enough for years , so yeah sack the manager will posters still think that way after time to deal with the disappointment of another dross fest ? that's why I never posted after Saturdays debacle ,
we can limp over the line this season no certainty , but get used it for next season's doesn't look too clever with this mob we've got upstairs and Freeman gone does it
i could see him him walking away from this in June now that he knows what he's let himself into though then who would the the Dof appoint ??

Good post

[Pinkie]

I hate to pull you up on this again, and its not personal, but we did not have a great season with Holloway last year;

1) We went on 2 runs of 6 consecutive defeats

2) Our best run was 4 unbeaten matches and 2 of those were draws.

3) We won just 3 of our last 9 matches.

4) We stayed up only because of the decent - not great - start we got off to up to and including the Sheffield United match after which our form was relegation form for 6 months.

And, contrary to what you said in a previous post, that WAS with a much better permanent squad than this one.

The board - who had been playing the victim card so well some of our fans believed we wouldn't be punished for FFP - knew we were in the middle of negotiating a fine and knew with such form as they'd seen over the last 6 months, the requirement to reduce the squad and the embargo had a decision to make; Keep Holloway who is failing with a decent squad or sack him and bring in someone who might just keep a weakened side up. They made the right decision not to back a man who WOULD have taken us down for certain this year.

However, that's the justification for sacking Hollloway.

Is there any justification for keeping McClaren?

I still think people are being incredibly naive if they think this squad is capable of much more than this. It is a poor squad full of average players.

However, they are guaranteed to be relegated if the manager does not have their respect or the ability to install some passion and I think that is the problem here. McClaren seems incapable of getting players to play with pride or finding the right tactics to give us a fighting chance. He seems clueless , bizarrely for a man who has had success in tactically superior Holland.

I personally think the only justification of keeping him now is the financial cost but the club need to ask themselves if the cost of relegation will cost more than sacking him.

What a load of rubbish

[QPRDave]

Amit Bhatia where are ya ?? Have a word will ya.

He was on twitter late last night talking to fans
Says that was unacceptable

[QPRDave]

Hang him . JN

[Shania]

I agree we should keep SMC til season’s end. Then we need a better answer to our future than “we are close”, ‘it’s building character”, “just a few bad breaks” as the manager’s standard riff.

To avoid relegation, bench Hemed, Lynch for the rest of the season. Move Pavel or Cousins to RB until Rangel is fit. Start Bos, Cameron, Freeman, Wells, Bidwell the rest of the way. Anchor the defense with Toni and Grant. Platoon Manning and Mass.

And for bloody sake, ALWAYS play on the front foot, pressing and with pace. We are at our best when we do that. When we do not we look like relegation fodder.

Spot on. Just a pity that you obviously will not be heard....

[Clapton is God]

What a load of rubbish

What part is rubbish?

Up to and including 31st October 2017 our record was; P 15 W 5 D 6 L 4.

The next 31 games saw just 10 wins and 6 draws.

If you think the board could take a chance on a manager who - with those stats - would rack up 40 - 45 points over a full season when they knew what was coming then you are as mad as everyone says you are.

Pinkie, Oly got sacked because the last 6 months he was in charge was a distater/failure/not acceptable... Why do you feel the need to defend a man who walked away with a healthy pay out for failure?

[Pinkie]

What part is rubbish?

Up to and including 31st October 2017 our record was; P 15 W 5 D 6 L 4.

The next 31 games saw just 10 wins and 6 draws.

If you think the board could take a chance on a manager who - with those stats - would rack up 40 - 45 points over a full season when they knew what was coming then you are as mad as everyone says you are.

Pinkie, Oly got sacked because the last 6 months he was in charge was a distater/failure/not acceptable... Why do you feel the need to defend a man who walked away with a healthy pay out for failure?

Eric its that the grass is greener attitude that has got us where we are now in my opinion, id back any manager regardless who they are who kept us up easily last season and using the youngsters, we had a direction we were going, until the board had youre attitude we can do better.....We was starting to have a plan & there was a buzz amongst the players & the younger players knowing thee is a chance & route to the first team if youre good enough......

Thats now all gone thanks to a really poor start to the season & mac panicking about hisjob, hence ditching the youngsters & for loaned players, we had a few very good youngsters & what he was supposed to of been brought in for, seems as he was lorded on here as "by far superior coach!"

And to say our previous manager would of took us downs laughable tbh & trying to justify macs poor managemernt & not make it look so bad.

[corbray]

we do have players who are capable and proven at this level though. bidwell, leistner, pavel, freeman, luongo, wells, hemed, smith etc are all capable of playing at this level and leistner aside have done for years to various levels of success. then you have the likes of lumley, lynch, furlong, BOS, eze, cousins, manning, scowen who would all be top league 1 players or have the potential to be good championship players.

we don't have a team of world beaters but we have a team that should be doing better than they are. the core of our squad have played alongside eachother for a few years now but we're not getting the best out of them. everyone of those players have been MOTM at some stage or another this season and have played very well at times. the problem lies with the manager, he was brought in for his 'tactical brilliance', training methods and his ability to get the best out of players but he's not. none of the players have improved under him bar freeman, in fact most of them have gone backwards and are making stupid mistakes. theres no coordination between the players or any clear tactic other than mass panic or hoofing and hoping.

its time to get rid of macca or theres a very strong chance that we might get relegated. we need someone who can get the best out of what they have, an overachiever who is still hungry for success yet experienced. i've said it before but gareth ainsworth could do a good job here, he got the best out of eze and has worked wonders at wycombe on a shoestring budget and a patchwork of players. he's done great there and is more than ready to step up plus he has an affinity with the club, he's someone we can get behind

[Clapton is God]

Eric its that the grass is greener attitude that has got us where we are now in my opinion, id back any manager regardless who they are who kept us up easily last season and using the youngsters, we had a direction we were going, until the board had youre attitude we can do better.....We was starting to have a plan & there was a buzz amongst the players & the younger players knowing thee is a chance & route to the first team if youre good enough......

Thats now all gone thanks to a really poor start to the season & mac panicking about hisjob, hence ditching the youngsters & for loaned players, we had a few very good youngsters & what he was supposed to of been brought in for, seems as he was lorded on here as "by far superior coach!"

And to say our previous manager would of took us downs laughable tbh & trying to justify macs poor managemernt & not make it look so bad.

You don't get it, do you.

We had shown pure relegation form for 6 months and knew that we'd;

a) have to reduce the squad

b) have a significant fine to pay

c) have a transfer embargo imposed.

That's the fact the board were aware of when they had to decide whether or not to keep a man who was managing a squad on relegation form.

Was there a buzz or was it soundbites from the club and people hyping up average players? We're in dire financial trouble and how many vultures are putting in lowball bids for our players?

And this is not a defence of McClaren. He should be judged on his own merits and at the moment he is failing too and we have to decide whether relegation is cheaper than sacking him.

[Pinkie]

You don't get it, do you.

We had shown pure relegation form for 6 months and knew that we'd;

a) have to reduce the squad

b) have a significant fine to pay

c) have a transfer embargo imposed.

That's the fact the board were aware of when they had to decide whether or not to keep a man who was managing a squad on relegation form.

Was there a buzz or was it soundbites from the club and people hyping up average players? We're in dire financial trouble and how many vultures are putting in lowball bids for our players?

And this is not a defence of McClaren. He should be judged on his own merits and at the moment he is failing too and we have to decide whether relegation is cheaper than sacking him.

I dont think you get it either, you harp on about all those things, yet mac signed 4 ex prem players on loan, two ofwhich strikers which ollie didnt have the luxury of, hes bombed two very good players in smyth and chair, and we`re seeing how we needed the legs and freshness of those two for a start, macs played too safe and boring games tactics wise for a start, only waking up when we`ve usually gone a goal down, lack of pressing in games.....but thats his tactics, but to go on about ffp when he signed those 4 kind defeats that doesnt it, its not like he hadnt signed anyone....

The fine has nothing to do with the squad and manager, it was mac who decided to send our loans out like smyth & chair, and sign the 4 loans in.......The fine was promised by tony to pay it, so we`re lead to believe...

And once again the transfer embargo had no affect as we signed 4 lol

[knocker]

Pinkie hijacks another thread.

[Norths]

Do one Wally, bring back Ollie

[maidstone_hoop]

Should of stuck with Ollie.

How Smyth is out on loan is beyond me and Samuel would of played more.

Hopefully we can sneak 2 more wins and a draw and hope that’s enough to stay up.

[Clapton is God]

I dont think you get it either, you harp on about all those things, yet mac signed 4 ex prem players on loan, two ofwhich strikers which ollie didnt have the luxury of, hes bombed two very good players in smyth and chair, and we`re seeing how we needed the legs and freshness of those two for a start, macs played too safe and boring games tactics wise for a start, only waking up when we`ve usually gone a goal down, lack of pressing in games.....but thats his tactics, but to go on about ffp when he signed those 4 kind defeats that doesnt it, its not like he hadnt signed anyone....

The fine has nothing to do with the squad and manager, it was mac who decided to send our loans out like smyth & chair, and sign the 4 loans in.......The fine was promised by tony to pay it, so we`re lead to believe...

And once again the transfer embargo had no affect as we signed 4 lol

McClaren has been a disaster. No doubt about that in my mind but whereas he might take us down, you cant fail to understand how the board came to the conclusion that Holloway would. They had a decision to make and they got the first part right.

As for the loans, we aren't, of course, prohibited from loan signings and we haven't seen the contracts for those who came in and the financial burdens attached. However, it would have been far harder to attract the loanees, in my opinion, if Holloway was in charge than it would be when you've got a respected former England coach at the helm. Holloway had been sacked by Millwall and was showing relegation form with us, not the most enticing offer for potential loans, is it?

As for McClaren's decision to loan out certain players. I agree, they were bizarre decisions and they can't be defended.

Just because McClaren proved to be a failure it doesn't mean that Holloway should have been kept.