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  • dogsrrs
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    Originally posted by Tarbie View Post

    Not the argument though, is it mate?

    The argument is which of these 2 managers are Premier League managers more likely to trust with their young talent. Surely there can't be any argument that Mclaren wins that hands down?
    But your not loaning them to the manager your loaning them to the club , you've just said that in your opinion and many others that Ramsey had responsibility is he not supposed to held in high esteem in the football world , for the life of me I can't see why clubs wouldn't choose to lend youngsters to QPR under Holloway the way our young players finished last season

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  • Tarbie
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    Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post
    Never mind whose fault it was but for the first half of last season we was under a religation threat so you need to be selective but that said there's two types of coaching technics or man management Holloway the latter nobody can deny the kids played for Holloway ,
    McLaren has always worked with higher quality players than we have or Holloway has , but Holloway achieved more promotions than McLaren which history books will tell he achieved nothing
    Not the argument though, is it mate?

    The argument is which of these 2 managers are Premier League managers more likely to trust with their young talent. Surely there can't be any argument that Mclaren wins that hands down?

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  • Shania
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    Originally posted by qpr View Post
    Sainsbury, Martin & 1 more I think is enough
    If Thorne now is the player he was before his injuries, I would get him in as well.

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  • dogsrrs
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    Originally posted by Tarbie View Post

    Just to give my comments a bit of context mate. My issue with Holloway and how he treated young players was consistency. Players seemed to fluctuate from flavour of the month to out in the cold, often without good reason. At one stage he was asked why he wasn't giving Chair a game, his answer was "well we've never won when he's played", he said similar about Shodipo too. Basically saying that he's not selecting players not because of how they've performed, but instead because of his own superstitions.

    Whether you choose to agree with it or not, Steve Mclaren has a far better reputation as a coach, and with regards to improving young players. And rightly so too having been First Team Coach at Man Utd during one of the most successful periods in their history. This will almost certainly help us if we choose to try to bring in some loans from the Premier League before the window closes.
    Never mind whose fault it was but for the first half of last season we was under a religation threat so you need to be selective but that said there's two types of coaching technics or man management Holloway the latter nobody can deny the kids played for Holloway ,
    McLaren has always worked with higher quality players than we have or Holloway has , but Holloway achieved more promotions than McLaren which history books will tell he achieved nothing

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  • 1973 ranger
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    Danny Ward on loan from Cardiff is someone we should look to get in.

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  • Tarbie
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    Originally posted by Bobbydunc View Post



    Well i`ve seen some of the most ridiculas things being spouted on the net, but this statements right up there it really is, unbeeeelievable statement of complete and utter drivel, from some who quite obviously has a beef along with a few others towards Holloway!


    Holloway did a fantastic job with the younger players and the squad in general was coming along great until sacked, but things will improve because we`ve got a by far superior coach in now, you can tell by yesterdays performance.
    Good to see nothing has changed Pinkie!

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  • Alanwycombe
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    Originally posted by Bobbydunc View Post



    And that is how you bring the youth in, nice and steady, anyone knows this.
    While we all paid to watch Washington week in, week out. BOS and Oteh could have been given a run off the bench at any time and regularly. That satisfies the nice and steady theory and if they are good enough they stay in. Smyth made a difference immediately.

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  • Tarbie
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    Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post

    Oh yeah Holloway was really crap the way he handled the young players after January ! Or did you expect him to throw them in from the start of last season , let's just wait and see how things pan out under McLaren first before assuming he's a great coach many say he's in the last chance saloon
    Just to give my comments a bit of context mate. My issue with Holloway and how he treated young players was consistency. Players seemed to fluctuate from flavour of the month to out in the cold, often without good reason. At one stage he was asked why he wasn't giving Chair a game, his answer was "well we've never won when he's played", he said similar about Shodipo too. Basically saying that he's not selecting players not because of how they've performed, but instead because of his own superstitions.

    Whether you choose to agree with it or not, Steve Mclaren has a far better reputation as a coach, and with regards to improving young players. And rightly so too having been First Team Coach at Man Utd during one of the most successful periods in their history. This will almost certainly help us if we choose to try to bring in some loans from the Premier League before the window closes.

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  • Bobbydunc
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    Originally posted by Alanwycombe View Post

    Dogs, it was a youth hokey-cokey one game in, next game out. Tell it to Oteh. And I won't be the only one to have the opinion that Ramsey had a hand in it. True though that McLaren's reputation could come crashing down if he doesn't deliver.


    And that is how you bring the youth in, nice and steady, anyone knows this.

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  • Alanwycombe
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    Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post

    Oh yeah Holloway was really crap the way he handled the young players after January ! Or did you expect him to throw them in from the start of last season , let's just wait and see how things pan out under McLaren first before assuming he's a great coach many say he's in the last chance saloon
    Dogs, it was a youth hokey-cokey one game in, next game out. Tell it to Oteh. And I won't be the only one to have the opinion that Ramsey had a hand in it. True though that McLaren's reputation could come crashing down if he doesn't deliver.

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  • Bobbydunc
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    Originally posted by Tarbie View Post

    Of course sending a young player to us is more likely under McLaren than Holloway. McLaren is generally accepted as an excellent coach with a good track record developing young players. Holloway didn't even know how to properly treat our own young players, let alone entrusting him with players on loan from the top flight.


    Well i`ve seen some of the most ridiculas things being spouted on the net, but this statements right up there it really is, unbeeeelievable statement of complete and utter drivel, from some who quite obviously has a beef along with a few others towards Holloway!


    Holloway did a fantastic job with the younger players and the squad in general was coming along great until sacked, but things will improve because we`ve got a by far superior coach in now, you can tell by yesterdays performance.

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  • dogsrrs
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    Originally posted by Tarbie View Post

    Of course sending a young player to us is more likely under McLaren than Holloway. McLaren is generally accepted as an excellent coach with a good track record developing young players. Holloway didn't even know how to properly treat our own young players, let alone entrusting him with players on loan from the top flight.
    Oh yeah Holloway was really crap the way he handled the young players after January ! Or did you expect him to throw them in from the start of last season , let's just wait and see how things pan out under McLaren first before assuming he's a great coach many say he's in the last chance saloon

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  • Shania
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    Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post

    Why Al ?it's still the skint club they will be loaning them to it's not up to McLaren if we can afford wages or a loan fee
    Because they will probably play under a good coach. No rocket science at all.

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  • Tarbie
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    Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post

    Why Al ?it's still the skint club they will be loaning them to it's not up to McLaren if we can afford wages or a loan fee
    Of course sending a young player to us is more likely under McLaren than Holloway. McLaren is generally accepted as an excellent coach with a good track record developing young players. Holloway didn't even know how to properly treat our own young players, let alone entrusting him with players on loan from the top flight.

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  • dogsrrs
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    Originally posted by Alanwycombe View Post
    At least there is more chance of managers loaning players to McLaren than there was Holloway.
    Why Al ?it's still the skint club they will be loaning them to it's not up to McLaren if we can afford wages or a loan fee

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