A question for #OllieOut brigade

[Pinkie]

You're over-complicating it dogs. Just play players in their right position in the first place and you'll get soo much more out of them. Nobody is arguing that they're incapable of playing in different positions when needed, but that simply misses the point because it's not necessary to do so to begin with. Furthermore, it's not only that, it's also his stubborn insistence on using WBs when clearly that approach has failed because we have none at the club.

These exact same points are getting repeated endlessly now mate. If you still can't see what's so blindingly clear to many, then I give up lol!

i keep seeing this over & over about playing players not in there correct positions, yet when ollies played them they havnt shone or took there chance by the scruff of the neck have they? wheelers one, then that other lad in his second game looked not upto speed, smith when played from the start wasnt shinning as much as coming on as a sub, sylla started looking decent but then has very quiet spells, but definately a goalscorer so...shodipos not long back from injury, same as cousins, pavs been off form as some have said probably to do with too much defensive work, yet hes got a great engine so...but everyones using the same old if we had players in there correct positions, but you can see why ollies not done so!

[brightonr]

i keep seeing this over & over about playing players not in there correct positions, yet when ollies played them they havnt shone or took there chance by the scruff of the neck have they? wheelers one, then that other lad in his second game looked not upto speed, smith when played from the start wasnt shinning as much as coming on as a sub, sylla started looking decent but then has very quiet spells, but definately a goalscorer so...shodipos not long back from injury, same as cousins, pavs been off form as some have said probably to do with too much defensive work, yet hes got a great engine so...but everyones using the same old if we had players in there correct positions, but you can see why ollies not done so!

Pinkie, Smith not pulling up trees when starting has nothing to do with him. Everything to do with the service he doesn't get from wingers because Holloway doesn't play them. No point at all in expecting him to do wonders each time Lynch just hoofs the ball up in his general direction.

[Stanley]

how do we know he's got anybody else to play there

We know dogs, but he keeps playing them either in different positions or not at all.

or hes just having a look to see what they can do

We're half way through the season, he should know that by now.

I have said many times this 3-5-2 or 1-1 doesn't suit what we've got as well as I always prefer the 4-4-2

Glad we can agree on that at least.

[FurtiveFox]

i keep seeing this over & over about playing players not in there correct positions, yet when ollies played them they havnt shone or took there chance by the scruff of the neck have they? wheelers one, then that other lad in his second game looked not upto speed, smith when played from the start wasnt shinning as much as coming on as a sub, sylla started looking decent but then has very quiet spells, but definately a goalscorer so...shodipos not long back from injury, same as cousins, pavs been off form as some have said probably to do with too much defensive work, yet hes got a great engine so...but everyones using the same old if we had players in there correct positions, but you can see why ollies not done so!

On the contrary most people can't understand why Wollie hasn't played players in their natural positions! Is daft beyond belief and costing us points and credibility.

[dogsrrs]

We know dogs, but he keeps playing them either in different positions or not at all.



We're half way through the season, he should know that by now.



Glad we can agree on that at least.

Gordon Bennett Stan , glad we can agree on that at least you answer my posts so you've read them , I have been banging on that we should be playing 4-4-2 for years , people say we've got a right wing back in young furlong true but he's crap and no better than what Wzos is at it , Perch probably found his best form for us before he got injured , but who else is to play there

[dogsrrs]

Gordon Bennett Stan , glad we can agree on that at least you answer my posts so you've read them , I have been banging on that we should be playing 4-4-2 for years , people say we've got a right wing back in young furlong true but he's crap and no better than what Wzos is at it , Perch probably found his best form for us before he got injured , but who else is to play there

This business of posters calling out wingers and inside forwards is a total exaggeration Washington can do both unfortunately neither very well and so should others we've got I mean be able to play both , not not be able to do it very well

[stanistheman]

i keep seeing this over & over about playing players not in there correct positions, yet when ollies played them they havnt shone or took there chance by the scruff of the neck have they? wheelers one, then that other lad in his second game looked not upto speed, smith when played from the start wasnt shinning as much as coming on as a sub, sylla started looking decent but then has very quiet spells, but definately a goalscorer so...shodipos not long back from injury, same as cousins, pavs been off form as some have said probably to do with too much defensive work, yet hes got a great engine so...but everyones using the same old if we had players in there correct positions, but you can see why ollies not done so!

Sylla deserves to keep his place in the side, even after a poor game or one where he didn't score. He scored 2 in 2 then had a poor game at Forest and got dropped.

As for Wheeler, he has hardly had a fair chance has he? Up front on his own at Derby, is hardly a chance in his favoured position.

Truth is IH has his favourites (always did) and doesn't want to leave them out of the side if he can avoid it.

Pinkie, Smith not pulling up trees when starting has nothing to do with him. Everything to do with the service he doesn't get from wingers because Holloway doesn't play them. No point at all in expecting him to do wonders each time Lynch just hoofs the ball up in his general direction.

Agreed. I wouldn't start with him, but if I did, I would have 2 wingers putting crosses into the box for him to get his head to the ball.

The squad is set up for a 4-4-2, so that is what the manager should stick to.

If he wanted 3-5-2 he should have signed wing backs instead of Lua Lua, Wheeler and Bright, and perhaps moved Ngaboto and Wyszolek on.

[stanistheman]

We know dogs, but he keeps playing them either in different positions or not at all.



We're half way through the season, he should know that by now.



Glad we can agree on that at least.

He had most of those players last season too. 1 whole year and if he is still trying to fathom what they are capable of, then that would just about sum him up as a capable coach/manager, as most worth their salt would have worked this out within 3 months tops.

[dogsrrs]

He had most of those players last season too. 1 whole year and if he is still trying to fathom what they are capable of, then that would just about sum him up as a capable coach/manager, as most worth their salt would have worked this out within 3 months tops.

Buddy I'm just sick of posters bulling these players up , more are a shower of shlt than arnt outside of smithies baptiste scowens luongo and Freeman we are heavily loaded with dross , imo the formations are far more worrying , most posters agree that many of the player Arnt capable of playing that way well that tells us all we need to know about the depth in quality there is at the club

[Stanley]

people say we've got a right wing back in young furlong true but he's crap and no better than what Wzos is at it , Perch probably found his best form for us before he got injured , but who else is to play there

Well for example, witness Furlong last season away to Reading - he excelled at RB with Pavel in front of him at RW. The system worked a treat and we won an away game to boot, but the manager never persisted with it. So Furlong could prove to be a good RB given half a chance. Kakay's main position is RB too. Pawel played there last week away to Preston and did a great job. Even Mackie previously did well at RB and is arguably less of a liability there. Baptise and Scowen can also play there, so we do have decent options there until Perch is back.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Gary Neville talks a lot of sense but was a pony manager....

To be fair to him taking your first job at a massive club in Spain's top division is probably not the wisest move, although I fully appreciate why he took the opportunity. He was on a hiding to nothing.

Language barrier, first job, not respected by the players as a manager at that point as he'd never done it, spotlight on him for obvious reasons.

Wouldn't be my first choice but I would not rule him out in the future as a decent manager if he starts in League 1 and builds a reputation & gains sufficient experience.

[dogsrrs]

Stan young furlong had a good game at reading every dog has his day ! He hasn't been very good since , I can't comment on Kakay but the rest you've mentioned can play full back but not good enough at wing back , thats my gripe we don't play a flat back 4 , what I'm saying is the players are lower championship level at best that can do a job at F/B but playing 3_5 ,,is above them

[Tarbie]

Well for example, witness Furlong last season away to Reading - he excelled at RB with Pavel in front of him at RW. The system worked a treat and we won an away game to boot, but the manager never persisted with it. So Furlong could prove to be a good RB given half a chance. Kakay's main position is RB too. Pawel played there last week away to Preston and did a great job. Even Mackie previously did well at RB and is arguably less of a liability there. Baptise and Scowen can also play there, so we do have decent options there until Perch is back.

This, with bells on.

Not a fan of Pawel playing full back, or wing back for that matter. He's one of the best players in this league if played as a winger, so it's daft to start him elsewhere on the pitch. But as you mention Stan, plenty of good options at right back. Bidwell starts every game, and is rarely injured so should be a safe bet at left back with any one of Robison, Baptiste or Lynch as backup if required.

There is no excuse to be persevering with this 3-5-2 system. It was clear very early this season that it wasn't going to work with this group of players.

[Stanley]

the players are lower championship level at best

Disagree mate, for all the reasons repeated earlier. Going round in circles now old bean :-)

[dogsrrs]

This, with bells on.

Not a fan of Pawel playing full back or wing back for that matter. He's one of the best players in this league if played as a winger, so it's daft to start him elsewhere on the pitch. But as you mention Stan, plenty of good options at right back. Bidwell starts every game, and is rarely injured so should be a safe bet at left back with any one of Robison, Baptiste or Lynch as backup if required.

There is no excuse to be persevering with this 3-5-2 system. It was clear very early this season that it wasn't going to work with this group of players.

For christ sake we don't play players as full backs we play them at wingbacks and they are not very good there , all I am posting is a flat back four is easier for players that arnt capable of taking on a specialist role