We are 100% going down

[Cjskinz]

bit harsh mate. The time to have got rid of him was last season.

1 point from 4 away games and 3 defeats away on the spin a concern and League Cup performances an embarrassment. However home form has been good which kind of balances it out.

Personally would give him 10 games so we can gauge him on this season. If we go on a long losing run during that time then for me he has to go but give him some breathing space in the meantime. For all we know may come good.

I don't really think away form is a concern. We have played some very good teams away and come extremely close to getting a point out of both (Lualua miss v cardiff, pav hitting post against Boro)

Also, I think he has proved from the beginning of this season that he is capable. 10 games he has to prove himself until the next 10 games he's given to prove himself? He's in a no win situation if we keep that attitude up.

Besides, the squad is depleted due to long term injuries out of Ollie's control. Would be extremely harsh to sack him if he doesn't do well during injury crisis.

[FurtiveFox]

How long a losing run will be enough in those 10 games for you to sack Holloway?

4-6 personally. That would show me that last season was not a blip and is something that will continue under Ollie and we need to change to someone who can give us some consistency.

[Shepherds Mush]

Personally would give him 10 games so we can gauge him on this season. If we go on a long losing run during that time then for me he has to go but give him some breathing space in the meantime.

How long a losing run will be enough in those 10 games for you to sack Holloway?

[FurtiveFox]

Sack ollie we're rubbish

bit harsh mate. The time to have got rid of him was last season.

1 point from 4 away games and 3 defeats away on the spin a concern and League Cup performances an embarrassment. However home form has been good which kind of balances it out.

Personally would give him 10 games so we can gauge him on this season. If we go on a long losing run during that time then for me he has to go but give him some breathing space in the meantime. For all we know may come good.

[Shepherds Mush]

Had us 96.5% last week but after our SHOCK loss away to Boro I have us back at 98% now.

[Brian Wilson]

Had us 96.5% last week but after our SHOCK loss away to Boro I have us back at 98% now.

[Shepherds Mush]

Given the choice between Ollie (including the runs of defeats where i actually thought we played very well) and Warnock's small stint in charge (not the Taarabt season) I would prefer Ollie. Won't be top of the championship but I actually look forward to every game and always think we can get something out of a game no matter who we are playing. Recruitment has been superb as well.

I'd agree on that. Holloway sets up to attack, Warnock sets up to be hard to beat. I'd always opt to watch a team that will try and attack.

[Cjskinz]

True. Just thought in that handful of games you could see a real Warnock side. Hard to play against.

Given the choice between Ollie (including the runs of defeats where i actually thought we played very well) and Warnock's small stint in charge (not the Taarabt season) I would prefer Ollie. Won't be top of the championship but I actually look forward to every game and always think we can get something out of a game no matter who we are playing. Recruitment has been superb as well.

[Shepherds Mush]

It was barely a handful of games. Not disputing he isn't a great manager my point was no point comparing that season with Adel to anything Ollie does

True. Just thought in that handful of games you could see a real Warnock side. Hard to play against.

[Cjskinz]

How about Warnock's second coming when he didn't have Adel ?

It was barely a handful of games. Not disputing he isn't a great manager my point was no point comparing that season with Adel to anything Ollie does

[Shepherds Mush]

And to be fair on this point, Warnock had a one in a billion player in Taarabt. Ollie doesn't. Warnock knew he had to build the team around him and let him do his thing, wouldn't say that is being tactically astute.

Not disputing he's a very good championship manager btw, just no point comparing because of Taarabt.

How about Warnock's second coming when he didn't have Adel ?

[Cjskinz]

Well let's put it this way, when I watch our games under Ollie I disagree with most of the decisions he makes in terms of formations, line-ups and substitutions. When I watched us under Neil Warnock, I found myself agreeing with 9 out of 10 decisions he made.

Not saying that I'm the oracle when it comes to football tactics. But it's how I feel, I know a lot of fans that agree with me!

And to be fair on this point, Warnock had a one in a billion player in Taarabt. Ollie doesn't. Warnock knew he had to build the team around him and let him do his thing, wouldn't say that is being tactically astute.

Not disputing he's a very good championship manager btw, just no point comparing because of Taarabt.

[Cjskinz]

It's not a stupid comment in my opinion mate. Ollie is the dictionary definition of a "limited coach". All passion and heart, but very little tactical prowess. Let's be honest, with his level of passion and enthusiasm, if he understood the tactical side of the game, Ollie would be given Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola something to worry about. Instead he's back at about the only club in the top 2 division that were prepared to hire him after his stint at Millwall.

Tarbie I think you're a very reasonable bloke and always put your arguments across very well.

Problem with this is displays against Newcastle away and Reading away show he isn't limited tactically, and even this season with Boro away who hadn't conceded at home this point and the £££ they spent we gave a VERY good account of ourselves, especially with about 5 first team players missing.

Also, as a side point, Pep inherited a Barca squad where the football ethos was already there and a ridiculous Bayern squad so didn't really have to do much. He got found out at City last year but is making improvements.

And as for Jose, couldn't keep Chelsea players on side over an argument with a physio and I have no doubt he'll fall out with a few United players too.

My point with that is, you can be tactically the best in the world, but if you haven't got players on side wanting to play, you are nothing.

[Pinkie]

To be honest have absolutely no idea. Last season showed we are more than capable of going on long losing runs which, if repeated, would see us in real trouble. We have had an average start to the season, shown a bit of promise, and could have a nice unremarkable, safe season. Too early to say. For me could go either way.

Don't buy the excuses cobblers for last season's two disastrous runs. If you listen to the Olliephiles it was firstly down to the international break which on that basis must only have affected QPR and secondly he was trying out new things which again no other team in the country was using that logic. A good manager would have ground out some results during those runs. We were headless chickens and had the season gone on any longer would in all likelihood have gone down.

However lets give it another say ten games and see how things look.

Sack ollie we're rubbish

[FurtiveFox]

What is the new % of us going down ?

To be honest have absolutely no idea. Last season showed we are more than capable of going on long losing runs which, if repeated, would see us in real trouble. We have had an average start to the season, shown a bit of promise, and could have a nice unremarkable, safe season. Too early to say. For me could go either way.

Don't buy the excuses cobblers for last season's two disastrous runs. If you listen to the Olliephiles it was firstly down to the international break which on that basis must only have affected QPR and secondly he was trying out new things which again no other team in the country was using that logic. A good manager would have ground out some results during those runs. We were headless chickens and had the season gone on any longer would in all likelihood have gone down.

However lets give it another say ten games and see how things look.