Why was pen not a Red?

[West Acton]

Denying goal scoring opportunity which it was is a red or has rule changed

[Kevin Mcleod]

Lucky to get it to be fair mate. Game changer. And thats the first one like that we have had go our way that i can remember.

[sneezey15]

R u four real about 15 bodies I'm box not last man etc. You know your football and only person who has suggested ref card.

[nasser95]

R u four real about 15 bodies I'm box not last man etc. You know your football and only person who has suggested ref card.

Wow, the English language died in this thread.

[dsqpr]

Denying goal scoring opportunity which it was is a red or has rule changed

Not a clear goal scoring opportunity West: Fer never had the ball. From what I could see he was fouled twice - held (in a bear hug ffs) when the corner came over and then had his shirt pulled when the resulting shot came in. Well done to the ref for giving the pen and I also agree that it did not warrant a red - the pen was definitely sufficient sanction.

[THE CAT]

Not a clear goal scoring opportunity West: Fer never had the ball. From what I could see he was fouled twice - held (in a bear hug ffs) when the corner came over and then had his shirt pulled when the resulting shot came in. Well done to the ref for giving the pen and I also agree that it did not warrant a red - the pen was definitely sufficient sanction.

Should definitely have been a yellow card, but as we have mentioned the ref wasn't all that so didn't happen

[1QPRDK]

On current rules it could have been a red, but they are ######## anyway. Should have been a yellow at least, because it is deliberate and not random. Clearly a professional foul. In my opinion they should change the rules, because when you deny a goalscoring opportunity in the box, the opponents get another, i.e. the pen. The red card should only be used when denying a goalscoring opportunity outside the box.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Ryan Shawcross done this 15 tines in one game without as much as a talking to against us so count ourselves lucky.

[Del]

R u four real about 15 bodies I'm box not last man etc. You know your football and only person who has suggested ref card.

No, I said exactly the same thing in the Ref thread.....

As for people saying this is what happens at corners and lucky to get a pen etc.... AS I said in that thread, the pen was blatant and not your standard hustle at a corner. The first part when Morrison had arms locked round Fer was normal stuff and wasn't given, when it should be, it was when he pulled him back he gave it. That was the right call, BUT, when he gives the pen how is it not a red card!!!? Fer was 2 yards out and about to smack the ball into a gaping net, so how on earth was that not "denying a goal scoring opportunity" as the rule goes....?

The rule is not about last man as some have suggested, but that is normally the barometer when a player's running through towards goal because the applied logic is with no other defenders to challenge, it's a definite goal scoring opportunity. In this instance he was about to kick it into the net right in front of him so clearly a goal scoring opportunity.

To say there's 15 people in the box as a reason it shouldn't be given is just wrong. By that logic no defender would be sent off for using their hand to save a shot from going in the net either.

[West Acton]

No, I said exactly the same thing in the Ref thread.....

As for people saying this is what happens at corners and lucky to get a pen etc.... AS I said in that thread, the pen was blatant and not your standard hustle at a corner. The first part when Morrison had arms locked round Fer was normal stuff and wasn't given, when it should be, it was when he pulled him back he gave it. That was the right call, BUT, when he gives the pen how is it not a red card!!!? Fer was 2 yards out and about to smack the ball into a gaping net, so how on earth was that not "denying a goal scoring opportunity" as the rule goes....?

The rule is not about last man as some have suggested, but that is normally the barometer when a player's running through towards goal because the applied logic is with no other defenders to challenge, it's a definite goal scoring opportunity. In this instance he was about to kick it into the net right in front of him so clearly a goal scoring opportunity.

To say there's 15 people in the box as a reason it shouldn't be given is just wrong. By that logic no defender would be sent off for using their hand to save a shot from going in the net either.

You took the words out my mouth Del. Fer is in six yard box the ball is dropping towards him at no speed at all and there is no man on the post from memory so if that's not a goal scoring opportunity not sure what is. That was more of a goal scoring opportunity then some of the reds you see when a defender is sent off for pulling a player down around the half way line with more or less half the pitch still to run

All about opinions though

[Del]

You took the words out my mouth Del. Fer is in six yard box the ball is dropping towards him at no speed at all and there is no man on the post from memory so if that's not a goal scoring opportunity not sure what is. That was more of a goal scoring opportunity then some of the reds you see when a defender is sent off for pulling a player down around the half way line with more or less half the pitch still to run

All about opinions though

For most situations yes, but in this instance there should be no alternative opinion.... it is as blatant a goal scoring opportunity as you will ever get, so based on the Rule, which is detailed for everyone to see, there should be no alternative than a red card. The interpretation of the rule and inconsistency is generally a farce.