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    QPR this season have loaned a total of 15 different players out. This is something which Les Ferdinand feels benefits the players and helps them grow as individuals, as he feels the under 23 league isn’t challenging enough. However rangers are trying to create a pathway from the academy into the first team and create local hero’s and do things the ‘right way’.
    Therefore I feel this loan system doesn’t really benefit the club or the players at all, if anything it delays the inevitable decision that most clubs will face is that the youth team players just aren’t good enough. We have seen it happen year after year that we keep loaning a academy player out in the hope he will return a superstar however knowing he isn’t quite good enough and eventually we make the decision that he simply isn’t going to make It and the famous phrase ‘we haven’t had a youth player since Richard Langley’ gets put on the broken record.
    The one shining light of what has been a pretty dull season for QPR has been the rise of Irish sensation Ryan Manning and this rise has seen him become a first team regular. However funnily enough Manning came straight from the academy into the first team without the need to be shipped out on loan. Now is this simply because rangers feel he is the next superstar or because we have already loaned out other midfielders Brandon Comley and Ben Gladwin.

    For example Michael Doughty is someone who has been at the club since 2007 and after making his first team appearance in 2011 has had 8 different loan moves. Now surely if rangers really think he is going to make the cut he would have made more than 10 appearances for the club in 6 years before being shipped out time and time again.
    Over the years ranges have had many academy players who have made loan moves to be told their not going to make it, for example: Michael Harriman eventually moved on to Wycombe after a series of loan spells away, a similar thing happened with players such as: Antonio German, Bruno Andrade and Frankie Sutherland. The only player who will hopefully buck the trend will be Darnell Furlong who has seen the loan move come and go and now sees himself in the first team picture.

    This just simply asks the question do the academy players need to make the dreaded loan move before they make their first team appearance or do the players which make the move simply not good enough and rangers deep down know they never will be.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: QPR's Loan System: started by Simon Cheshire View original post
    Comments 16 Comments
    1. Hertford Hoop's Avatar
      Hertford Hoop -
      Interesting post Simon
    1. Fraggy's Avatar
      Fraggy -
      Definitely food for thought and hopefully something that will be addressed more carefully moving forward.
      Great first post btw. Welcome to the board.
    1. nasser95's Avatar
      nasser95 -
      It's an interesting point of view but I have to disagree... Look at Furlong as an example of a successful loan setup. Look at Shodipo as someone who can come back better because of his loan out. Gladwin wasn't loaned out and look at his performances here? Loans are designed to give players opportunities to play, to learn, to make mistakes or gain confidence without being risked on the first team.

      Just going back to Furlong, without having been loaned out, he came into our first team 2 years ago and was destroyed by prem opposition. He needed to recover and the loan system worked perfectly for him, he came back and now is deservedly a regular in our setup.

      A loan move is beneficial to all parties... it gives players time to show off, it reduces the risk the club undertakes with them and gives other players at the club more game time.
    1. corbray's Avatar
      corbray -
      I'm a fan of loaning players out to develop them more. A few years ago we were loaning out players to teams like boreham wood or even staines town! Now players are being loaned out to league 2 and even league 1 sides which is a massive positive imo, its the same as prem clubs loaning players to the championship etc.
      Comely for example has been one of grimsby's best players this season and when he returned in january a few league 1 clubs like peterbrough, swindon and mk dons were rumored to be interested in bringing him in on either a loan or a perm until grimsby got him back.

      It gives you a rough idea of whos good enough and whos not, i'd much rather (selfishly) see someone struggle in league 1/2 playing 10-20 than with us in the championship.

      The standard of our youth team has improved massively in the past few years with what imo is gunna be a golden generation of graduates, guys like lumley, furlong, manning, prohouly, petrasso, comely, eze and shodipo all have the potential to be first teamers for us and i'd be surprised if half of them don't.
      The thing most of them have in common is they've gone out on loan and impressed. Lumley is another one whos tearing it up at bristol with multiple motm awards and clean sheets too. He'd not have been given a chance here in a million years because of smithies but now we've got a good look at just how good he is and how much potential he has. The championship is a bit cut throat and unless you have something that impresses the manager immediatly you can't get much of a chance to get regular game time.

      Players like doughty though, you get the feeling hes not good enough (given the nature of our players to suddenly get good due to ollie it could easily change though lol) because of his time spent back with us. He developed at other clubs and did well there which is great for him and us, we could easily get 500k+ for him from a different club and at the same time he continues his career. It works out both ways, we either get a player back ready to play for us, or we sell them if they're not good enough
    1. West Acton's Avatar
      West Acton -
      Depends on how it's done. Look st Spurs loads of their players have been loaned out broken into the team or moved on to play very decent level

      Doughty not great example as he's not good enough never has been good enough and never will be good enough for us and I scratch my head when I read the number of fans bigging him up. Nice lad by all accounts but out of his depth at this club

      I think past problem is we had players on books who simply were not good enough and never should have been retained let alone sent out on loan as they had no future
    1. Awin's Avatar
      Awin -
      Originally Posted by corbray
      I'm a fan of loaning players out to develop them more. A few years ago we were loaning out players to teams like boreham wood or even staines town! Now players are being loaned out to league 2 and even league 1 sides which is a massive positive imo, its the same as prem clubs loaning players to the championship etc.
      Comely for example has been one of grimsby's best players this season and when he returned in january a few league 1 clubs like peterbrough, swindon and mk dons were rumored to be interested in bringing him in on either a loan or a perm until grimsby got him back.

      It gives you a rough idea of whos good enough and whos not, i'd much rather (selfishly) see someone struggle in league 1/2 playing 10-20 than with us in the championship.

      The standard of our youth team has improved massively in the past few years with what imo is gunna be a golden generation of graduates, guys like lumley, furlong, manning, prohouly, petrasso, comely, eze and shodipo all have the potential to be first teamers for us and i'd be surprised if half of them don't.
      The thing most of them have in common is they've gone out on loan and impressed. Lumley is another one whos tearing it up at bristol with multiple motm awards and clean sheets too. He'd not have been given a chance here in a million years because of smithies but now we've got a good look at just how good he is and how much potential he has. The championship is a bit cut throat and unless you have something that impresses the manager immediatly you can't get much of a chance to get regular game time.

      Players like doughty though, you get the feeling hes not good enough (given the nature of our players to suddenly get good due to ollie it could easily change though lol) because of his time spent back with us. He developed at other clubs and did well there which is great for him and us, we could easily get 500k+ for him from a different club and at the same time he continues his career. It works out both ways, we either get a player back ready to play for us, or we sell them if they're not good enough
      with bells on!
    1. Westway's Avatar
      Westway -
      Where in Cheshire are you Simon?
    1. Pinkie's Avatar
      Pinkie -
      Also over those poor years not having any decent youth coming through, but really how much is that down to the managers at the time, youll just never know how good they are unless given a chance, perfect example ryan manning! to think how hes took to it & yet jimmy i bet never even gave him a thought! so these players are maybe there but never been given a chance!
    1. nasser95's Avatar
      nasser95 -
      Originally Posted by Pinkie
      Also over those poor years not having any decent youth coming through, but really how much is that down to the managers at the time, youll just never know how good they are unless given a chance, perfect example ryan manning! to think how hes took to it & yet jimmy i bet never even gave him a thought! so these players are maybe there but never been given a chance!
      I know you don't like Jimmy but he did give youth players opportunities, brought Shodipo in for example.
    1. wortonranger's Avatar
      wortonranger -
      It makes sense. It must be better to get younger players out and playing in pretty good teams against other similar teams and with a proper atmosphere. If they take the opportunity it's a good career move for them whether with us or not. Only really outstandingly talented youngsters would make it directly to the first team in a club such as ours.
    1. Hoos Your Daddy's Avatar
      Hoos Your Daddy -
      It's also probably easier to move a player on after a loan spell, than if he was simply in the academy the whole time. So not only do we get to see if he'd work out for the 1st team, but other clubs can see if they'd want him for their squad.
    1. QPRHoop's Avatar
      QPRHoop -
      Originally Posted by nasser95
      It's an interesting point of view but I have to disagree... Look at Furlong as an example of a successful loan setup. Look at Shodipo as someone who can come back better because of his loan out. Gladwin wasn't loaned out and look at his performances here? Loans are designed to give players opportunities to play, to learn, to make mistakes or gain confidence without being risked on the first team.

      Just going back to Furlong, without having been loaned out, he came into our first team 2 years ago and was destroyed by prem opposition. He needed to recover and the loan system worked perfectly for him, he came back and now is deservedly a regular in our setup.

      A loan move is beneficial to all parties... it gives players time to show off, it reduces the risk the club undertakes with them and gives other players at the club more game time.
      I agree as I think loans in general are more beneficial to a player than staying at the club and never playing. Sometimes though there could be an argument for not going on loan as if Manning was on loan then quite possibly we would never have seen him play. Overall though I'm in favour.

      One minor thing though is Gladwin last season was on loan at Swindon and Bristol City and obviously now at Swindon again so he has been loaned out a few times now.
    1. erikmata's Avatar
      erikmata -
      Originally Posted by wortonranger
      It makes sense. It must be better to get younger players out and playing in pretty good teams against other similar teams and with a proper atmosphere. If they take the opportunity it's a good career move for them whether with us or not. Only really outstandingly talented youngsters would make it directly to the first team in a club such as ours.
      Exactly, it is attractive to youngsters if we can show them that if not at QPR they will have a good chance to create a career somewhere else.
    1. Awin's Avatar
      Awin -
      Originally Posted by QPRHoop
      I agree as I think loans in general are more beneficial to a player than staying at the club and never playing. Sometimes though there could be an argument for not going on loan as if Manning was on loan then quite possibly we would never have seen him play. Overall though I'm in favour.

      One minor thing though is Gladwin last season was on loan at Swindon and Bristol City and obviously now at Swindon again so he has been loaned out a few times now.
      Gladwin was originally brought in to muddy the Luongo sell on fee. I suppose it was hoped that he might progress but wasn't our priority. He has done well on all his loan spells and will probably be sold on to a league 1 club for a small profit.
    1. davieqpr's Avatar
      davieqpr -
      Players that come through from youth to reserve level tend to play with and against the same players year after year due to the more regionalised set up. Each age group obviously age at the same rate.
      By going out on loan you take them out of their comfort zone.You see how they adapt to playing with and against different players,different ages,different tactics. Away from home how well do they adapt,
      are the sociable,are they team players.The standard is usually between what they are used to and 1st team level. The list is almost endless. Some come back better others can't hack it. But there is only one way to find out.
    1. topperharley's Avatar
      topperharley -
      Originally Posted by Simon Cheshire
      QPR this season have loaned a total of 15 different players out. This is something which Les Ferdinand feels benefits the players and helps them grow as individuals, as he feels the under 23 league isn’t challenging enough. However rangers are trying to create a pathway from the academy into the first team and create local hero’s and do things the ‘right way’.
      Therefore I feel this loan system doesn’t really benefit the club or the players at all, if anything it delays the inevitable decision that most clubs will face is that the youth team players just aren’t good enough. We have seen it happen year after year that we keep loaning a academy player out in the hope he will return a superstar however knowing he isn’t quite good enough and eventually we make the decision that he simply isn’t going to make It and the famous phrase ‘we haven’t had a youth player since Richard Langley’ gets put on the broken record.
      The one shining light of what has been a pretty dull season for QPR has been the rise of Irish sensation Ryan Manning and this rise has seen him become a first team regular. However funnily enough Manning came straight from the academy into the first team without the need to be shipped out on loan. Now is this simply because rangers feel he is the next superstar or because we have already loaned out other midfielders Brandon Comley and Ben Gladwin.

      For example Michael Doughty is someone who has been at the club since 2007 and after making his first team appearance in 2011 has had 8 different loan moves. Now surely if rangers really think he is going to make the cut he would have made more than 10 appearances for the club in 6 years before being shipped out time and time again.
      Over the years ranges have had many academy players who have made loan moves to be told their not going to make it, for example: Michael Harriman eventually moved on to Wycombe after a series of loan spells away, a similar thing happened with players such as: Antonio German, Bruno Andrade and Frankie Sutherland. The only player who will hopefully buck the trend will be Darnell Furlong who has seen the loan move come and go and now sees himself in the first team picture.

      This just simply asks the question do the academy players need to make the dreaded loan move before they make their first team appearance or do the players which make the move simply not good enough and rangers deep down know they never will be.
      OP is spot on, as long as those making the decision to offload players permanently get it right 100% of the time. Even Fergie (Pogba) couldn't get that right.

      Players who continually get loaned out to get no better than our U23 team or Swindon Town, need not be on the books. Shame for guys like Doughty who just about get on the fringe as our side slumps, then we hit some kind of form and get players in, who are frankly, better.

      Manning however would have been gone but for a change in management, probably the same for Furlong had JFH stayed on.

      Though Furlong would have been top, top drawer in League 1.